UPCI's Randy Hollis Throws Down the Gauntlet: The Emancipation of Isaac

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Originally Posted by mizpeh

There are some things that although not sin can become sin for some people.

http://www.spiritoffire.org/ebooks/aa%20allen/mwp13.htm

Another excerpt from A A Allen:

I consider the 'holiness standards' of the UPC manmade rules. But having said that it is possible for a woman to be personally convicted by the Holy Spirit that wearing jewelry is wrong. For instance, if I adorned myself with excessive jewelry or took pride in my jewelry, a pride which comes with a feeling of superiority, then it would be sin and God would convict me of the pride that came with wearing jewelry. After repentance, I would either get rid of my jewelry since it was a hinderance in my walk with God or I would be able to push away thoughts of pride and still wear jewelry but not to the same excess. It's not all black and white as you would like it to be. But the important thing to remember is not to impose my convictions on others. (And if you're curious, no, the above did not happen to me. I've have never been one to wear jewelry even before I became a Christian. This is only an example.)

How is one convicted if not by their conscience? Or why did God give us a conscience if not to be able to tell right from wrong. Rom 2:15

Now that's funny...using AA Allen to refute me!

You are welcome to hold whatever standard you wish, ie coffee, long sleeves, tea, tv, etc. etc. that's not my point. Just don't go around telling people God told you to do so.

If you struggle in your flesh with a particular temptation, ie (alcohol), granted it would be best for YOU to walk a mile away from a liquor store. But that's not God, that's your own flesh. We are drawn into temptation out of the lust of our own flesh. That which is inside of us.

But God won't strike you dead, or un-save your soul because you did; you would just struggle needlessly. Anyway, God bless gotta go preach the good news of Jesus!

Originally Posted by staysharp

Now that's funny...using AA Allen to refute me!

You are welcome to hold whatever standard you wish, ie coffee, long sleeves, tea, tv, etc. etc. that's not my point. Just don't go around telling people God told you to do so.

If you struggle in your flesh with a particular temptation, ie (alcohol), granted it would be best for YOU to walk a mile away from a liquor store. But that's not God, that's your own flesh. We are drawn into temptation out of the lust of our own flesh. That which is inside of us.

But God won't strike you dead, or un-save your soul because you did; you would just struggle needlessly. Anyway, God bless gotta go preach the good news of Jesus!

You are about as far off base as anyone who has ever posted on AFF. You are making Pastor Tribble look like a man with Godly Good Sense!

I was messing with you on Thad's Tab, but I am dead serious here. You are a danger to any young believers on this board who are embracing Apostolic Doctrine! You should be watched very closely by any pastor who has folks posting here.

It is not surprising that you think the infilling of the Holy Ghost is not important to our salvation or our subsequent walk with the Lord Jesus. Based on what I have read in your posts, the Holy Ghost has no purpose in our lives at all.

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Originally Posted by philjones

You are about as far off base as anyone who has ever posted on AFF. You are making Pastor Tribble look like a man with Godly Good Sense!

I was messing with you on Thad's Tab, but I am dead serious here. You are a danger to any young believers on this board who are embracing Apostolic Doctrine! You should be watched very closely by any pastor who has folks posting here.

It is not surprising that you think the infilling of the Holy Ghost is not important to our salvation or our subsequent walk with the Lord Jesus. Based on what I have read in your posts, the Holy Ghost has no purpose in our lives at all.

Huh! Are you trying to pick a fight? I am clueless as to your charge sir. If anyone preaches the H.G., it is I, my point is that many people think the H.G. is talking when in fact it is not. Just because you hear voices in your head does not mean it is the H.G.

Maybe you did not read the entirety of all my post on this subject. You may want to reread before you make such a ridiculous charge. The baptism of the H.G. does not make you into superman and suddenly you understand all mysteries and have all knowledge. The H.G. testifies of Jesus and never speaks anything contrary to the word of God.

What we hold as values, standards, etc. that are not specific to God's word, ie pants, makeup, etc., is left to the individual. If it offends you, then don't do it. But don't tell me God told you it's a damnable sin. Sin is listed in the bible. Sin is transgression against God's nature.

I'm still confused as to your response, I think you may have misunderstood my posts. PH didn't you say your wife wore pants? Maybe it was somebody else can't remember.

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Based on what I have read in your posts, the Holy Ghost has no purpose in our lives at all.

That's just ridiculous...the H.G. was given for a very specific purpose. That purpose was to testify of Jesus, his works, his word, his anointing and to finish what he started.

The H.G. wasn't given to convict you of tv and me not of tv. If we are convicted, it should be of sin which causes separation from God. Too many think the H.G. told me this and the H.G. told me that. AGAIN, if what you are hearing violates the word of God, it's not the H.G.

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Originally Posted by philjones

You are about as far off base as anyone who has ever posted on AFF. You are making Pastor Tribble look like a man with Godly Good Sense!

I was messing with you on Thad's Tab, but I am dead serious here. You are a danger to any young believers on this board who are embracing Apostolic Doctrine! You should be watched very closely by any pastor who has folks posting here.

It is not surprising that you think the infilling of the Holy Ghost is not important to our salvation or our subsequent walk with the Lord Jesus. Based on what I have read in your posts, the Holy Ghost has no purpose in our lives at all.

Bwahhhhhhhhhhaaaaaaaaaa!!! You're coming close to EB territory here, PJ .... stop putting words in SS's mouth .... and the hysterics. If not I won't be able to take your posting seriously anymore.

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I thought I was the only one whose posts were grossly misinterpreted.

Originally Posted by philjones

You are about as far off base as anyone who has ever posted on AFF. You are making Pastor Tribble look like a man with Godly Good Sense!

I was messing with you on Thad's Tab, but I am dead serious here. You are a danger to any young believers on this board who are embracing Apostolic Doctrine! You should be watched very closely by any pastor who has folks posting here.

It is not surprising that you think the infilling of the Holy Ghost is not important to our salvation or our subsequent walk with the Lord Jesus. Based on what I have read in your posts, the Holy Ghost has no purpose in our lives at all.