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(...) but I couldn't vote for him the second time because of his foreign policy mistakes. Bush obviously either lied to the American people or was the most inept President in history when he made the case to go to war with Iraq.
Where was the WMD?
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The United Nations in New York had to be evacuated a couple of months ago because an envelope with a sample of biological material found in Iraq was found in a safe there. If this was not evidence of a WMD program, then why did the UN empty its own building over a couple of swabs?
John Negreponte reported the finding of 500 artillery shells loaded with sarin nerve gas in a letter
here.
Tens of thousands of unarmed chemical artillery shells have been found as well.
Journalist
Douglas Farah documents
Victor Bout's involvement behind the famous truck convoy that left Iraq ahead of the U.S. led invasion. What was on the trucks that went to
Syria? And did that cargo have anything to do with Israel's recent bombing of Syrian
nuclear facilities?
There was no massive "smoking gun" of WMDs found in Iraq. There was just evidence of an
illegal WMD program that Sadaam tried to hide from the U.N. inspectors. Reading the documents that led up to the war, it was Sadaam's refusal to cooperate with the U.N. that led to his overthrow.
Bush never tried to make the case that there was a connection between 9/11 and Sadaam. He seems to think that the evidence wasn't damning enough; even though al Qaeda's "New Years Eve bomber" Abu Musab al-Zarqawi was given sanctuary and living in Iraq and an extremist militant group linked to al Queda operated a large base in the northern mountains along the border with Iran.
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Where was the link between 911 and Saddam/Iraq? He has even admitted that there was no link between 911 and Saddam/Iraq.
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You said he either lied or was inept when he said there
was. Now you say he didn't say that? Or did he say both? Give me a link here.
I assert that
he never even tried to make the case that there was a link. Bloggsters on HuffPost say otherwise, but they're lying to you.
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Was the Iraq war worth the lives of thousands of innocent civilian lives and military personnel?
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War is never "worth it." And that's only one of the nasty things about war.
One point here though: the rate of "civilian death" in Iraq dropped dramatically after the U.S. led invasion. Prior to March of 2003, Iraqi civilians and soldiers were being slaughtered at a terrible rate. Millions.
Here's a test: look up the "
mass graves" that were found in Iraq since 2003. Compare the number of bodies in those graves to the number of bodies reportedly killed by "American firepower." You will find that Sadaam killed far, far more of his own people than the U.S. has.
Add to the equation that we were shooting at bad guys who were often bent on
killing as many of their own countrymen as they could. Despite the horrors of war, what Iraq has now is a whole lot better than during Sadaam's 24 year war on his own people.
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We saw the same rhetoric this year that he used to get us into the Iraq war when he tried to build a the case to go to war with Iran. Now, we have seen that his administration knew earlier this year that Iran had stopped their nuclear weapons program.
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So they've stopped spinning those
3,500 centrifuges and cancelled their
orders for more?
Nope (interesting analysis from TNR).
The spin continues and you just swallow it whole.
Iran is currently engaged in a massive program to enrich uranium. They are also building a
heavy water breeder reactor which does not need enriched uranium. What's all the enriched uranium for then? Dental prosthetics?
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I was in the military and I have always loved my country.
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Thank you for your service.
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As a Christian, I have grieved when I have seen those poor innocent children die, because of the unjust war in Iraq.
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What poor innocent children are you talking about? And you say the war is "unjust." Some would argue that all wars are "unjust." Since you say that this war is unjust, by what terms are you trying to determine justice here?
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How would you feel if another country invaded America and killed our civilian population?
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If I lived in a country like Sadaam's Iraq that only broke off from making war with itself long enough to make war with its neighbors;
and if an invasion brought me hope of a real chance at a better life, then yeah! Go for it! And don't drag your feet while you're doing it.
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If you had taken the time to read the last sentence of my first posts on this thread, you would have noticed that I back Ron Paul for President. It was unfortunate that you had to turn this into a personal attack instead of a debate on the facts!
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Would you also support Rosie O'Donnell for public office? Both Rosie and Ron Paul have publically stated that the U.S. either "deserved" 9/11 or "brought it on themselves." That's a despicable statement. RP doesn't deserve your vote. You're better than that.
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