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Old 12-14-2007, 04:11 PM
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I do not believe that the Holy Ghost changes the nature of an individual, the scripture never says anything about that. If an individual is short tempered, opinionated, outspoken, if they like Jazz, if their favorite crayola color is brick red, all these will be the same after they get the Holy Ghost. Unfortunately their tastes in other things will be the same too.

Does intelligence bring wisdom? Yes because an intelligent person will foster those things that will make him wise. Information makes you wise, experience makes you wise, observation makes you wise and the intelligent individual will continue to embrace those things that will improve his character as well as to avoid repeating history and making the same mistakes twice.

Solomon's intelligence made him wise when he had the motivation to be intelligent. Afterward, he still had the intelligence, but he relied on something else to influence and motivate the source of his wisdom or lack of wisdom after the fact.
On the whole I agree with this. I believe the Holy Ghost gives us the ability to overcome our baser natures and grown into the nature of Christ. God imparts wisdom, this is biblical, but I rather think that impartation occurs over years of learning and growth not so much in a bright flash.
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Old 12-14-2007, 04:42 PM
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I do not believe that the Holy Ghost changes the nature of an individual, the scripture never says anything about that. If an individual is short tempered, opinionated, outspoken, if they like Jazz, if their favorite crayola color is brick red, all these will be the same after they get the Holy Ghost. Unfortunately their tastes in other things will be the same too.

Does intelligence bring wisdom? Yes because an intelligent person will foster those things that will make him wise. Information makes you wise, experience makes you wise, observation makes you wise and the intelligent individual will continue to embrace those things that will improve his character as well as to avoid repeating history and making the same mistakes twice.

Solomon's intelligence made him wise when he had the motivation to be intelligent. Afterward, he still had the intelligence, but he relied on something else to influence and motivate the source of his wisdom or lack of wisdom after the fact.
In the hearts of all that are wise hearted I have put wisdom, that they may make all that I have commanded thee; Exodus 31:7

And he hath filled him with the spirit of God, in wisdom, in understanding, and in knowledge, and in all manner of workmanship; Exodus 35:31

And Joshua the son of Nun was full of the spirit of wisdom; for Moses had laid his hands upon him: Deut 34:9

And God gave Solomon wisdom and understanding exceeding much, and largeness of heart, even as the sand that is on the sea shore. 30And Solomon’s wisdom excelled the wisdom of all the children of the east country, and all the wisdom of Egypt. 31For he was wiser than all men; I Kings 4:29

And God said to Solomon, Because this was in thine heart, and thou hast not asked riches, wealth, or honour, nor the life of thine enemies, neither yet hast asked long life; but hast asked wisdom and knowledge for thyself, that thou mayest judge my people, over whom I have made thee king: 12Wisdom and knowledge is granted unto thee; 2 Chronicles 1:12

But of him are ye in Christ Jesus, who of God is made unto us wisdom, and righteousness, and sanctification, and redemption: 1 Cor. 1:30

For to one is given by the Spirit the word of wisdom; to another the word of knowledge by the same Spirit; 1 Cor. 12:8

If what you say is true, then God does not give man wisdom and His word is not true. Wisdom is a gift of the Spirit.

You are saying wisdom follows intellect, I am saying wisdom is a divine impartaion of the Holy Ghost and if we are filled with the Holy Ghost, why don't we have it?
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Old 12-14-2007, 04:44 PM
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but I rather think that impartation occurs over years of learning and growth not so much in a bright flash.
Do you receive all the H.G. when you are filled or does it take years to get the fullnes of what He has to give us. The previous post tells us that wisdom is a divine gift of the Spirit. We should walk in wisdom when we walk with God.
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Old 12-14-2007, 04:45 PM
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If I'm the most Apostolic poster here ... and Apostolics are wise

then ....
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Old 12-14-2007, 04:46 PM
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If I'm the most Apostolic poster here ... and Apostolics are wise

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Please comment on my previous post. I really would like an intelligent take on why Christians do not have divine wisdom.
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Old 12-14-2007, 04:48 PM
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On the whole I agree with this. I believe the Holy Ghost gives us the ability to overcome our baser natures and grown into the nature of Christ. God imparts wisdom, this is biblical, but I rather think that impartation occurs over years of learning and growth not so much in a bright flash.
Staysharp ... you have a beef w/ this statement???
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Old 12-14-2007, 04:56 PM
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Staysharp ... you have a beef w/ this statement???
Partly, it infers that God does not impart the gifts with the Holy Spirit. I understand wisdom comes with time, experience, learning, etc. But, biblically, wisdom is a gift of the Holy Spirit. (previous post)

As you read the previous passages of text, we see God does impart wisdom supernaturally. If men claim to be filled with he Holy Ghost, claim to have all truth, claim to have superior understanding to salvation, why then are they so ignorant?

Jesus was 12 years old and confounded the teachers of the temple; supernatural wisdom.

I really am trying to understand why Apostolics who claim to have the fullness of God, do not have more wisdom.

So many pastors make so many mistakes and hurt the flock, situations that could have been handled with more wisdom, have destroyed people.
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To be wise means to use wisdom ,so listening to the Holy Ghost and walking in the Spirit brings wisdom about spiritual things.
A wise will say things in the right way,one can say rights things in a wrong spirit and do much damage.
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Old 12-14-2007, 05:15 PM
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To be wise means to use wisdom ,so listening to the Holy Ghost and walking in the Spirit brings wisdom about spiritual things.
A wise will say things in the right way,one can say rights things in a wrong spirit and do much damage.
I agree. Is it possible that much of the damage that happens in the church is because men are not led of the H.G.?
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Yes one can have the HG,and not be led by it.
The Holy Ghost is a perfect gentleman, so many folks in church hurt people it makes one wonder what spirit they have ?
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