Saved WithOut The Holy Ghost ?

[SDG]

The biggest problem ... and assumption you are working w/ TR is that your 3 steps is salvation doctrine .... and so you point to various instances where commandments are followed [baptism] and manifestations of God's Spirit [tongues, prophesying] as salvation doctrine being implemented ....

when from the PCI view ... being saved by grace through faith in the work of the Lamb is SALVATION DOCTRINE .... PLACING FAITH ON JESUS ... TO US IS SALVATION DOCTRINE ...

as long as we disagree on this ... then you looking at Acts as the "best" evidence of salvation doctrine becomes a point of contention ... when we see the epistles as the apostles and church leaders of the time reminding saints how they were saved and expounding on their faith in Jesus Christ.

Your verbosity and attempts to nitpick every argument disguises your fallacious premise to the casual reader ... but is evident just the same to anyone who reads inferentially.

Sloppy is subjective ... but I submit your inability to harmonize Acts 2:38 w/ God's Plan for Salvation - Jesus Christ- is as sloppy as it gets.

[J-Roc]

Originally Posted by Daniel Alicea

The biggest problem ... and assumption you are working w/ TR is that your 3 steps is salvation doctrine .... and so you point to various instances where commandments are followed [baptism] and manifestations of God's Spirit [tongues, prophesying] as salvation doctrine being implemented .... when from the PCI view ... being saved by grace through faith in the work of the Lamb is SALVATION DOCTRINE .... JESUS TO US IS SALVATION DOCTRINE ...

as long as we disagree on this ... then you looking at Acts as the "best" evidence of salvation doctrine becomes a point of contention ... when we see the epistles as the apostles and church leaders of the time reminding saints how they were saved and expounding on their faith in Jesus Christ.

Your verbosity and attempts to nitpick every argument disguises your fallacious premise to the casual reader ... but is evident just the same to anyone who inferentially.

Sloppy is subjective ... and your inability to harmonize Acts 2:38 w/ God's Plan for Salvation - Jesus Christ- is as sloppy as it gets.

Yes, Dan...that's exactly right....he fails to see how the gospel is succinctly taught here by Paul in (Romans 3:21-31)



But now God has shown us a way to be made right with him without keeping the requirements of the law, as was promised in the writings of Moses and the prophets long ago. We are made right with God by placing our faith in Jesus Christ. And this is true for everyone who believes, no matter who we are.

For everyone has sinned; we all fall short of God’s glorious standard. Yet God, with undeserved kindness, declares that we are righteous. He did this through Christ Jesus when he freed us from the penalty for our sins. For God presented Jesus as the sacrifice for sin. People are made right with God when they believe that Jesus sacrificed his life, shedding his blood. This sacrifice shows that God was being fair when he held back and did not punish those who sinned in times past, for he was looking ahead and including them in what he would do in this present time. God did this to demonstrate his righteousness, for he himself is fair and just, and he declares sinners to be right in his sight when they believe in Jesus.

Can we boast, then, that we have done anything to be accepted by God? No, because our acquittal is not based on obeying the law. It is based on faith. So we are made right with God through faith and not by obeying the law.

After all, is God the God of the Jews only? Isn’t he also the God of the Gentiles? Of course he is. There is only one God, and he makes people right with himself only by faith, whether they are Jews or Gentiles. Well then, if we emphasize faith, does this mean that we can forget about the law? Of course not! In fact, only when we have faith do we truly fulfill the law.

[J-Roc]

Originally Posted by J-Roc

Yes, Dan...that's exactly right....he fails to see how the gospel is succinctly taught here by Paul in (Romans 3:21-31)



But now God has shown us a way to be made right with him without keeping the requirements of the law, as was promised in the writings of Moses and the prophets long ago. We are made right with God by placing our faith in Jesus Christ. And this is true for everyone who believes, no matter who we are.

For everyone has sinned; we all fall short of God’s glorious standard. Yet God, with undeserved kindness, declares that we are righteous. He did this through Christ Jesus when he freed us from the penalty for our sins. For God presented Jesus as the sacrifice for sin. People are made right with God when they believe that Jesus sacrificed his life, shedding his blood. This sacrifice shows that God was being fair when he held back and did not punish those who sinned in times past, for he was looking ahead and including them in what he would do in this present time. God did this to demonstrate his righteousness, for he himself is fair and just, and he declares sinners to be right in his sight when they believe in Jesus.

Can we boast, then, that we have done anything to be accepted by God? No, because our acquittal is not based on obeying the law. It is based on faith. So we are made right with God through faith and not by obeying the law.

After all, is God the God of the Jews only? Isn’t he also the God of the Gentiles? Of course he is. There is only one God, and he makes people right with himself only by faith, whether they are Jews or Gentiles. Well then, if we emphasize faith, does this mean that we can forget about the law? Of course not! In fact, only when we have faith do we truly fulfill the law.

I love the message above.....that sweet gospel message!