Are Apostolics Wise?

[Coonskinner]

Originally Posted by staysharp

I can't believe I just read this.

Sharpy, the belief that one must obey Acts 2:38 to enter the Kingdom is not a weird, fringe doctrine held by only a few rabid cons; that is mainstream Apostolic doctrine and this is an Apostolic forum. There are some PCI types that have a slightly different view, but you have no reason to act surprised on this forum that someone would not consider Southern Baptists to be saved and in the Kingdom.

[staysharp]

Originally Posted by Coonskinner

Sharpy, the belief that one must obey Acts 2:38 to enter the Kingdom is not a weird, fringe doctrine held by only a few rabid cons; that is mainstream Apostolic doctrine and this is an Apostolic forum. There are some PCI types that have a slightly different view, but you have no reason to act surprised on this forum that someone would not consider Southern Baptists to be saved and in the Kingdom.

Coon, your post was filled with elitism. This is the problem. You guys don't even realize it. Why couldn't you say...yes, we have a lot to learn from the baptists. They have accomplished great things. Orphanages, schools, missionaries, doctors, etc.

Why attack them as not being in the kingdom? There is nothing wrong with being a professional pastor. It simply states you have taken your calling and profession seriously.

Again, skirt the issue, deny anybody else could be right.

Oh well, I guess I got my answer. We have no wisdom from above, because we do not seek it. It's just that simple.

[Coonskinner]

Originally Posted by staysharp

Coon, your post was filled with elitism. This is the problem. You guys don't even realize it. Why couldn't you say...yes, we have a lot to learn from the baptists. They have accomplished great things. Orphanages, schools, missionaries, doctors, etc.

Why attack them as not being in the kingdom? There is nothing wrong with being a professional pastor. It simply states you have taken your calling and profession seriously.

Again, skirt the issue, deny anybody else could be right.

Oh well, I guess I got my answer. We have no wisdom from above, because we do not seek it. It's just that simple.

You need to go back and read again.

Stating that people who have never been born again are not in the Kingdomisn't an attack; it is an acknowledgement of a Scriptural truth that happens to be germane to the discussion.

Good works in the social services department such as orphanages, hospitals, and so on is nice. But we are called to win souls primarily, not build hospitals to treat sick bodies, as admirable as that is.

The Social Gospel takes hold when people have no heavenly vision.

Their hospitals, orphanages, and doctors are all good things, but they aren't getting anybody in the Kingdom.

I admire all that, but I am not called to build hospitals; I am called to preach the only saving message to the lost.

The Baptists do good things as far as this present world is concerned, but they are dead in trespasses and sins, as are their converts.

So we are doing two different things.

[staysharp]

Good works in the social services department such as orphanages, hospitals, and so on is nice. But we are called to win souls primarily, not build hospitals to treat sick bodies, as admirable as that is.

Typical. Maybe this will help.

34Then shall the King say unto them on his right hand, Come, ye blessed of my Father, inherit the kingdom prepared for you from the foundation of the world:

35For I was an hungred, and ye gave me meat: I was thirsty, and ye gave me drink: I was a stranger, and ye took me in:

36Naked, and ye clothed me: I was sick, and ye visited me: I was in prison, and ye came unto me.

37Then shall the righteous answer him, saying, Lord, when saw we thee an hungred, and fed thee? or thirsty, and gave thee drink?

38When saw we thee a stranger, and took thee in? or naked, and clothed thee?

39Or when saw we thee sick, or in prison, and came unto thee?

40And the King shall answer and say unto them, Verily I say unto you, Inasmuch as ye have done it unto one of the least of these my brethren, ye have done it unto me.

41Then shall he say also unto them on the left hand, Depart from me, ye cursed, into everlasting fire, prepared for the devil and his angels:

42For I was an hungred, and ye gave me no meat: I was thirsty, and ye gave me no drink:

43I was a stranger, and ye took me not in: naked, and ye clothed me not: sick, and in prison, and ye visited me not.

44Then shall they also answer him, saying, Lord, when saw we thee an hungred, or athirst, or a stranger, or naked, or sick, or in prison, and did not minister unto thee?

45Then shall he answer them, saying, Verily I say unto you, Inasmuch as ye did it not to one of the least of these, ye did it not to me.

46And these shall go away into everlasting punishment: but the righteous into life eternal.

The Social Gospel takes hold when people have no heavenly vision.

Luke 10:8 And into whatsoever city ye enter, and they receive you, eat such things as are set before you:
9And heal the sick that are therein, and say unto them, The kingdom of God is come nigh unto you.
No, social assistance is very much a part of the Gospel. This is why we as Apostolics don't have hospitals, professional schools, doctors, orphanages, because nobody cares about what Jesus cared about. Unbelievable.

I admire all that, but I am not called to build hospitals; I am called to preach the only saving message to the lost.

MAYBE YOU NEED TO READ THE GOOD SAMARITAN, SO HERE IT IS: Luke 10

27And he answering said, Thou shalt love the Lord thy God with all thy heart, and with all thy soul, and with all thy strength, and with all thy mind; and thy neighbour as thyself.

28And he said unto him, Thou hast answered right: this do, and thou shalt live.

29But he, willing to justify himself, said unto Jesus, And who is my neighbour?

30And Jesus answering said, A certain man went down from Jerusalem to Jericho, and fell among thieves, which stripped him of his raiment, and wounded him, and departed, leaving him half dead.

31And by chance there came down a certain priest that way: and when he saw him, he passed by on the other side.

32And likewise a Levite, when he was at the place, came and looked on him, and passed by on the other side.

33But a certain Samaritan, as he journeyed, came where he was: and when he saw him, he had compassion on him,

34And went to him, and bound up his wounds, pouring in oil and wine, and set him on his own beast, and brought him to an inn, and took care of him.

35And on the morrow when he departed, he took out two pence, and gave them to the host, and said unto him, Take care of him; and whatsoever thou spendest more, when I come again, I will repay thee.

36Which now of these three, thinkest thou, was neighbour unto him that fell among the thieves?

37And he said, He that shewed mercy on him. Then said Jesus unto him, Go, and do thou likewise.

I know its not Acts 2;38 but it happens to be the words of our Lord.

[Coonskinner]

Originally Posted by staysharp

Typical. Maybe this will help.

34Then shall the King say unto them on his right hand, Come, ye blessed of my Father, inherit the kingdom prepared for you from the foundation of the world:

35For I was an hungred, and ye gave me meat: I was thirsty, and ye gave me drink: I was a stranger, and ye took me in:

36Naked, and ye clothed me: I was sick, and ye visited me: I was in prison, and ye came unto me.

37Then shall the righteous answer him, saying, Lord, when saw we thee an hungred, and fed thee? or thirsty, and gave thee drink?

38When saw we thee a stranger, and took thee in? or naked, and clothed thee?

39Or when saw we thee sick, or in prison, and came unto thee?

40And the King shall answer and say unto them, Verily I say unto you, Inasmuch as ye have done it unto one of the least of these my brethren, ye have done it unto me.

41Then shall he say also unto them on the left hand, Depart from me, ye cursed, into everlasting fire, prepared for the devil and his angels:

42For I was an hungred, and ye gave me no meat: I was thirsty, and ye gave me no drink:

43I was a stranger, and ye took me not in: naked, and ye clothed me not: sick, and in prison, and ye visited me not.

44Then shall they also answer him, saying, Lord, when saw we thee an hungred, or athirst, or a stranger, or naked, or sick, or in prison, and did not minister unto thee?

45Then shall he answer them, saying, Verily I say unto you, Inasmuch as ye did it not to one of the least of these, ye did it not to me.

46And these shall go away into everlasting punishment: but the righteous into life eternal.



Luke 10:8 And into whatsoever city ye enter, and they receive you, eat such things as are set before you:
9And heal the sick that are therein, and say unto them, The kingdom of God is come nigh unto you.
No, social assistance is very much a part of the Gospel. This is why we as Apostolics don't have hospitals, professional schools, doctors, orphanages, because nobody cares about what Jesus cared about. Unbelievable.



MAYBE YOU NEED TO READ THE GOOD SAMARITAN, SO HERE IT IS: Luke 10

27And he answering said, Thou shalt love the Lord thy God with all thy heart, and with all thy soul, and with all thy strength, and with all thy mind; and thy neighbour as thyself.

28And he said unto him, Thou hast answered right: this do, and thou shalt live.

29But he, willing to justify himself, said unto Jesus, And who is my neighbour?

30And Jesus answering said, A certain man went down from Jerusalem to Jericho, and fell among thieves, which stripped him of his raiment, and wounded him, and departed, leaving him half dead.

31And by chance there came down a certain priest that way: and when he saw him, he passed by on the other side.

32And likewise a Levite, when he was at the place, came and looked on him, and passed by on the other side.

33But a certain Samaritan, as he journeyed, came where he was: and when he saw him, he had compassion on him,

34And went to him, and bound up his wounds, pouring in oil and wine, and set him on his own beast, and brought him to an inn, and took care of him.

35And on the morrow when he departed, he took out two pence, and gave them to the host, and said unto him, Take care of him; and whatsoever thou spendest more, when I come again, I will repay thee.

36Which now of these three, thinkest thou, was neighbour unto him that fell among the thieves?

37And he said, He that shewed mercy on him. Then said Jesus unto him, Go, and do thou likewise.

I know its not Acts 2;38 but it happens to be the words of our Lord.

We give to and help the poor.

So did the Apostles.

Did they build hospitals?

I did not say these were not good things; I said they were not as high a priority as the salvation of souls.

[freeatlast]

Originally Posted by staysharp

Coon, your post was filled with elitism. This is the problem. You guys don't even realize it. Why couldn't you say...yes, we have a lot to learn from the baptists. They have accomplished great things. Orphanages, schools, missionaries, doctors, etc.

Why attack them as not being in the kingdom? There is nothing wrong with being a professional pastor. It simply states you have taken your calling and profession seriously.

Again, skirt the issue, deny anybody else could be right.

Oh well, I guess I got my answer. We have no wisdom from above, because we do not seek it. It's just that simple.

Sir, I believe you missed about three answers..You are making an acusation that is false, That we have NO wisdom.

Three of us just declared we seek for it daily, four if we include you.

The gift of wisdom is in operation in our churches.

Some may choose to operate the "gift" of ignorance on occasion but that does not negate the fact that God is at work among Apostolics.

[Coonskinner]

Originally Posted by freeatlast

Sir, I believe you missed about three answers..You are making an acusation that is false, That we have NO wisdom.

Three of us just declared we seek for it daily, four if we include you.

The gift of wisdom is in operation in our churches.

Some may choose to operate the "gift" of ignorance on occasion but that does not negate the fact that God is at work among Apostolics.

Since I so rarely have the opportunity to do it, wisdom dictates that I should say a big "AMEN" to your post.

[freeatlast]

Originally Posted by Coonskinner

Since I so rarely have the opportunity to do it, wisdom dictates that I should say a big "AMEN" to your post.

I was just thinking the same thing...that Phil and Coonskiner must be shocked to see me posting on "their" side of the fence.

Merry Christmas to ya Lady and Mrs CS...hope the ice storm didn't get ya to bad down there in KS.

[Coonskinner]

Originally Posted by freeatlast

I was just thinking the same thing...that Phil and Coonskiner must be shocked to see me posting on "their" side of the fence.

Merry Christmas to ya Lady and Mrs CS...hope the ice storm didn't get ya to bad down there in KS.

The end time must surely be upon us.

Merry Christmas to you too, friend, and unfortunately, the storm wiped us out...our house has been without power for almost a week, and may be for another two weeks.

Rural water is also out as of yesterday.

We are staying in town where there is electricity.

[staysharp]

Originally Posted by Coonskinner

The end time must surely be upon us.

Merry Christmas to you too, friend, and unfortunately, the storm wiped us out...our house has been without power for almost a week, and may be for another two weeks.

Rural water is also out as of yesterday.

We are staying in town where there is electricity.

Wisdom would have made sure you had a generator, propane. Next time be prepared, Sorry for your dilemma though. Been there done that. We had an ice storm that destroyed everything too for about 2 weeks.