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Old 12-15-2007, 08:06 AM
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You are on target Bro. CS



BTW, if you get around to it. I have always wanted a Daniel Boone hat.

Seriousley though, you are dead on.
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Old 12-15-2007, 08:12 AM
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Staysharp,

I guess I find the question to be difficult to zero in on because that is a daily prayer that I pray and a daily prayer most men I know pray. Certainly we are daily facing a changing world and persistent yet morphing attacks from the deceiver so Godly Wisdom is essential. I cannot imagine there are any true men of God who do not seek to be empowered through the leading and guiding of the Holy Ghost in every deed, decision and doctrine that they pursue.

Is your experience contrary to mine?
Thanks for an honest answer. Yes, my experiences have taken me to the altar of wisdom many times seeking God for direction.

My question is sincere. Do you believe God imparts supernatural wisdom today? Is not the gift of wisdom a new testament impartation along with faith, prophecy, healing, etc.?
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Old 12-15-2007, 08:15 AM
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You are on target Bro. CS



BTW, if you get around to it. I have always wanted a Daniel Boone hat.

Seriousley though, you are dead on.
Dead on what? Shifting blame? Criticizing the baptists? No one has answered my original question.

Shouldn't the gift of wisdom be a part of the new covenant experience? Shouldn't it be demonstrated as a gift from above???
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Old 12-15-2007, 08:16 AM
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Coon, your post was filled with elitism. This is the problem. You guys don't even realize it. Why couldn't you say...yes, we have a lot to learn from the baptists. They have accomplished great things. Orphanages, schools, missionaries, doctors, etc.

Why attack them as not being in the kingdom? There is nothing wrong with being a professional pastor. It simply states you have taken your calling and profession seriously.

Again, skirt the issue, deny anybody else could be right.

Oh well, I guess I got my answer. We have no wisdom from above, because we do not seek it. It's just that simple.
You need to go back and read again.

Stating that people who have never been born again are not in the Kingdomisn't an attack; it is an acknowledgement of a Scriptural truth that happens to be germane to the discussion.

Good works in the social services department such as orphanages, hospitals, and so on is nice. But we are called to win souls primarily, not build hospitals to treat sick bodies, as admirable as that is.

The Social Gospel takes hold when people have no heavenly vision.

Their hospitals, orphanages, and doctors are all good things, but they aren't getting anybody in the Kingdom.

I admire all that, but I am not called to build hospitals; I am called to preach the only saving message to the lost.

The Baptists do good things as far as this present world is concerned, but they are dead in trespasses and sins, as are their converts.

So we are doing two different things.
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Old 12-15-2007, 08:19 AM
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Dead on what? Shifting blame? Criticizing the baptists? No one has answered my original question.

Shouldn't the gift of wisdom be a part of the new covenant experience? Shouldn't it be demonstrated as a gift from above???
It is at work today.

But you keep confusing a spiritual gift as per I Corinthians 12 with the kind of wisdom that develops thrugh time, study, and walking with God.
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Old 12-15-2007, 08:23 AM
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Dead on what? Shifting blame? Criticizing the baptists? No one has answered my original question.

Shouldn't the gift of wisdom be a part of the new covenant experience? Shouldn't it be demonstrated as a gift from above???
It is. Sorry Bro, but I just don't get where you are missing it. It is manifested every day right in front of us. In my pastor, In myself when I just want to whack some guy upside the head but speak a kind word instead, in Sis Falla's posts, in Pastor Skinner of Coon's words.

Wisdom is all around us. And God DOES impart it to us supernaturally...
It just don't come with fireworks.
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Old 12-15-2007, 08:25 AM
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Coon, your post was filled with elitism. This is the problem. You guys don't even realize it. Why couldn't you say...yes, we have a lot to learn from the baptists. They have accomplished great things. Orphanages, schools, missionaries, doctors, etc.

Why attack them as not being in the kingdom? There is nothing wrong with being a professional pastor. It simply states you have taken your calling and profession seriously.

Again, skirt the issue, deny anybody else could be right.

Oh well, I guess I got my answer. We have no wisdom from above, because we do not seek it. It's just that simple.
Sir, I believe you missed about three answers..You are making an acusation that is false, That we have NO wisdom.

Three of us just declared we seek for it daily, four if we include you.

The gift of wisdom is in operation in our churches.

Some may choose to operate the "gift" of ignorance on occasion but that does not negate the fact that God is at work among Apostolics.
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Old 12-15-2007, 08:28 AM
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Sir, I believe you missed about three answers..You are making an acusation that is false, That we have NO wisdom.

Three of us just declared we seek for it daily, four if we include you.

The gift of wisdom is in operation in our churches.

Some may choose to operate the "gift" of ignorance on occasion but that does not negate the fact that God is at work among Apostolics.
Since I so rarely have the opportunity to do it, wisdom dictates that I should say a big "AMEN" to your post.

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Old 12-15-2007, 08:30 AM
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Just when I was beginning to like you mighty mouse. It's only dumb to those who have no wisdom.
Just when I was beginning to like you breadslicer...


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Old 12-15-2007, 08:31 AM
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Good works in the social services department such as orphanages, hospitals, and so on is nice. But we are called to win souls primarily, not build hospitals to treat sick bodies, as admirable as that is.
Typical. Maybe this will help.

34Then shall the King say unto them on his right hand, Come, ye blessed of my Father, inherit the kingdom prepared for you from the foundation of the world:

35For I was an hungred, and ye gave me meat: I was thirsty, and ye gave me drink: I was a stranger, and ye took me in:

36Naked, and ye clothed me: I was sick, and ye visited me: I was in prison, and ye came unto me.

37Then shall the righteous answer him, saying, Lord, when saw we thee an hungred, and fed thee? or thirsty, and gave thee drink?

38When saw we thee a stranger, and took thee in? or naked, and clothed thee?

39Or when saw we thee sick, or in prison, and came unto thee?

40And the King shall answer and say unto them, Verily I say unto you, Inasmuch as ye have done it unto one of the least of these my brethren, ye have done it unto me.

41Then shall he say also unto them on the left hand, Depart from me, ye cursed, into everlasting fire, prepared for the devil and his angels:

42For I was an hungred, and ye gave me no meat: I was thirsty, and ye gave me no drink:

43I was a stranger, and ye took me not in: naked, and ye clothed me not: sick, and in prison, and ye visited me not.

44Then shall they also answer him, saying, Lord, when saw we thee an hungred, or athirst, or a stranger, or naked, or sick, or in prison, and did not minister unto thee?

45Then shall he answer them, saying, Verily I say unto you, Inasmuch as ye did it not to one of the least of these, ye did it not to me.

46And these shall go away into everlasting punishment: but the righteous into life eternal.

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The Social Gospel takes hold when people have no heavenly vision.
Luke 10:8 And into whatsoever city ye enter, and they receive you, eat such things as are set before you:
9And heal the sick that are therein, and say unto them, The kingdom of God is come nigh unto you.
No, social assistance is very much a part of the Gospel. This is why we as Apostolics don't have hospitals, professional schools, doctors, orphanages, because nobody cares about what Jesus cared about. Unbelievable.

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I admire all that, but I am not called to build hospitals; I am called to preach the only saving message to the lost.
MAYBE YOU NEED TO READ THE GOOD SAMARITAN, SO HERE IT IS: Luke 10

27And he answering said, Thou shalt love the Lord thy God with all thy heart, and with all thy soul, and with all thy strength, and with all thy mind; and thy neighbour as thyself.

28And he said unto him, Thou hast answered right: this do, and thou shalt live.

29But he, willing to justify himself, said unto Jesus, And who is my neighbour?

30And Jesus answering said, A certain man went down from Jerusalem to Jericho, and fell among thieves, which stripped him of his raiment, and wounded him, and departed, leaving him half dead.

31And by chance there came down a certain priest that way: and when he saw him, he passed by on the other side.

32And likewise a Levite, when he was at the place, came and looked on him, and passed by on the other side.

33But a certain Samaritan, as he journeyed, came where he was: and when he saw him, he had compassion on him,

34And went to him, and bound up his wounds, pouring in oil and wine, and set him on his own beast, and brought him to an inn, and took care of him.

35And on the morrow when he departed, he took out two pence, and gave them to the host, and said unto him, Take care of him; and whatsoever thou spendest more, when I come again, I will repay thee.

36Which now of these three, thinkest thou, was neighbour unto him that fell among the thieves?

37And he said, He that shewed mercy on him. Then said Jesus unto him, Go, and do thou likewise.

I know its not Acts 2;38 but it happens to be the words of our Lord.
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