Can Apostolics be Democrats?

[ChristopherHall]

Here's an interesting website. I don't agree with all of it but it was interesting.

http://faithfuldemocrats.com/



Some would argue that they never heard of Jesus riding an elephant. LOL

[RandyWayne]

Originally Posted by ChristopherHall

If abortion and gay marriage were off the table (technically they are since both parties really don't plan to do anything about them)....which party would properly address the problems with international trade, free (but unfair) markets, multinational corporations that don't observe human rights in third world countries, the rising cost of health insurance, international diplomacy and the prevention of military hostility, the problems with pre-emptive war, the privacy rights of all Americans and the problems of the government's surveliance and wire tapping, exploitation and abuse of American labor, increased corporate money and power in the halls of government, and the list can go on.

I think the Republicans have been in office so long and the majority of Americans have lost faith that they will properly address so many of these important issues. So many Americans are looking at giving the Democrats a shot and seeing what good they might be able to to do. Remember, government works for us. If they don't do the job right we need to fire them and hire someone else. That's the only way to keep both parties activily trying to do their best. The problem is the Republicans count on us always voting for them like lemmings regardless of if we're loosing our jobs, can't pay for gasoline, can't pay for health insurance, can't pay for perscription drugs, etc. I think they've underestimated how far they can push Christian vote. I think that's why this thread exists. Something is awakening in our social conscience that is telling us that we need to punish the "R's" because they've really not done a good job and are taking our vote for granted.

Therein lies the main problem with me. This issue really does cross over with the "Should Christians be wise" thread. Because around here, if those two issues were taken off the table, then the democrats WOULD get the vast majority of the vote that now goes to the republican ticket. No one can understand or even articulate the vast amount of other issues which CONSERVATIVES (not always republican) legislators push for. Such as keeping the min wage in check (fighting to keep it from going up), keeping taxes low and fair (meaning 'even'), OPPOSING national health care and actually trying to introduce market forces into the mix to keep prices from rising (the only thing that will), and beating our enemy through vast strength -and not just beating them, but making them think ten times before attacking since it is obvious they WILL be beat.
No, abortion and gay rights/marriage are not my top two reasons for voting as conservative as possible.

[RandyWayne]

Originally Posted by Ferd View Post
I hope you had one hand over your heart when you typed the words "Ronald Reagan"!

it is required you know.

I don't know about you...... But "I" do.

[RevBuddy]

But the REAL question is whether Democratics can be Apostolics???

And the answer, my brothers and sisters, is...


YES....YES....YES...YES...YES...YES...YES...

...just a little deliverance in the name of Jesus...can I have a witness???

[Apprehended]

Originally Posted by RevBuddy

But the REAL question is whether Democratics can be Apostolics???

And the answer, my brothers and sisters, is...


YES....YES....YES...YES...YES...YES...YES...

...just a little deliverance in the name of Jesus...can I have a witness???

Well, I suppose so...

at least as long as the Apostolic democrats have no problem watching 1.25 million babies being slaughtered in America each year. If you have no problem with that...I suppose these good Apostolic democrats are just fine.

Personally, with the Republican's committment to replace murderers Justices Ruth Ginsberg, John Paul Stevens and Steven Bryer on the Supreme Court, I would vote again for Bush, the 3rd term the 2nd worst president in the past 100 years who stuck to his guns like a iron man to get John Roberts and Samuel Alto on the Bench. These two, with three other Republican appointees, justice Clarence Thomas, Antonin Scalia, are now tilting the right for the first time in decades. Thus Roe vs. Wade is now threatened and has greatly been weakened.

If Apostolics vote in another Democrat we are certain to get at least two or three Justices who will lean the court back to left for decades to come, accelerating again the Abortion mills. Conservative Scalia will be retiring soon. A Democrat will appoint a baby killer to the bench. Guilt will rest with the Apostolics that vote him in.

Power to operate those mills flow from the decisions handed down by the liberal courts appointed by DEMON CRATS...yes, Apostolic Democrats.

ALL Republican candidates have pledged to appoint to the courts conservative/constructionist judges.

So, Apostolics...

while you are jumping and running the asiles, talking in tongues and SHOWING OUT...remember to VOTE YOU CONSCIENCE.

[RandyWayne]

Thats all true and a good point.... But even if abortion were taken off the table (along with Gay marriage) the democrat party is still based entirely on envy. Making the person who makes a buck more an hour pay for whatever social program you happen to benefit from. Whether it is health care, retirement costs, school, or anything else. If you make 30 thousand a year and your neighbor makes 3 million, why is HE somehow beholden to pay for your kids education or your families health care?

[Apprehended]

That is so true...

I get sick at my stomache and have to hold back vomit everytime I hear that idiot from N.C. speak about two America's...the haves and the have nots... Elect him and he will make sure the haves will have not and the have nots will continue to have not.

Democrat party is the party of bondage.

[RandyWayne]

Originally Posted by Apprehended

That is so true...

I get sick at my stomache and have to hold back vomit everytime I hear that idiot from N.C. speak about two America's...the haves and the have nots... Elect him and he will make sure the haves will have not and the have nots will continue to have not.

Democrat party is the party of bondage.

That would be John Edwards.


http://mfile.akamai.com/5020/wma/rus...dsiamwoman.asx

[RevBuddy]

I'm not asserting any support of the National Democratic Party...none whatsoever...

I was just using a little humor to replace some of the heavy words...

I do agree the Democratic policies and platforms have been a direct attack and an affront to Christians everywhere...

[ChristopherHall]

Originally Posted by Apprehended

Well, I suppose so...

at least as long as the Apostolic democrats have no problem watching 1.25 million babies being slaughtered in America each year. If you have no problem with that...I suppose these good Apostolic democrats are just fine.

Personally, with the Republican's committment to replace murderers Justices Ruth Ginsberg, John Paul Stevens and Steven Bryer on the Supreme Court, I would vote again for Bush, the 3rd term the 2nd worst president in the past 100 years who stuck to his guns like a iron man to get John Roberts and Samuel Alto on the Bench. These two, with three other Republican appointees, justice Clarence Thomas, Antonin Scalia, are now tilting the right for the first time in decades. Thus Roe vs. Wade is now threatened and has greatly been weakened.

If Apostolics vote in another Democrat we are certain to get at least two or three Justices who will lean the court back to left for decades to come, accelerating again the Abortion mills. Conservative Scalia will be retiring soon. A Democrat will appoint a baby killer to the bench. Guilt will rest with the Apostolics that vote him in.

Power to operate those mills flow from the decisions handed down by the liberal courts appointed by DEMON CRATS...yes, Apostolic Democrats.

ALL Republican candidates have pledged to appoint to the courts conservative/constructionist judges.

So, Apostolics...

while you are jumping and running the asiles, talking in tongues and SHOWING OUT...remember to VOTE YOU CONSCIENCE.

I think it should be noted here that the abortion rate had it's sharpest decline and hit a 30 year all time low in 1997 under a Democratic administration. I really would like to illustrate how there is a direct connect between economic stabilities in poor and middle class families and the abortion rate. Short and simple...if the poor and middle class are suffering economic hardship, those who are not religious, will most likely choose to abort and raise a family when times are more economically stable. This is lost on most of us Apostolics because we've forgotten how the world thinks. Yes...if they cannot afford a child they abort it. Since 2001 nearly 16 states that track abortion rates have indicated a small but noticeable increase in the abortion rate. Note that this is in areas where jobs have been lost and have experienced other economic hardships. Abortion is a spirit that thrives in the shadows of poverty. If a woman finds herself without a bread winning husband, without a steady liveable income, without health insurance for her, without health insurance for her future child, ....she will most likely choose to abort. We need to address the issues (spiritual, emotional, and physical) that are factors as to why women choose to abort. They do not just abort because it's legal nor do they choose not to abort because it's illegal. After all, the abortion rate was higher than it is today back in the late 60's and early 70's when abortion was illegal.

Apostolic Democrats believe in a social agenda that addresses the issues poor and middle class women face when finding themselves in a crisis pregnancy. For example, they support SCHIP and other initiatives that will cover children and pregnant women with health insurance. Many support state subsidized child care initiatives to offer incentive to work and assistance for poor working mothers who might need assistance. Subsidized housing for single mothers, and other TANF programs.

So yes Apostolic Democrats, and religious Democrats in general, believe in using America's tax dollars to assist women who might otherwise choose to abort. They understand that it may cost us something as a society and a nation to save lives by helping those who ordinarily would choose abortion.

Sadly the conservative position is just rhetoric. Ban abortion. That's all they offer. No help for poor or working class women with crisis pregnancies. You can be assured that if any program addressing the needs of women in a crisis pregnancy will cost money...a conservative will rather save their money than assist a woman in choosing life. Money often trumps life in the conservative mind. Most conservatives will tell you that if paying tax dollars to subsidize children's health insurance or child care will save nearly 300,000 unborn lives a year, they'd rather that 300,000 unborn children be aborted than use tax dollars to support said programs. That means...money trumps the value of life, plain and simple.

The Democrats proposed a legislative agenda that would have reduced America's abortion rate by 95% in ten years. The conservatives rejected it because it would have meant using tax dollars to do so. Tax dollars they wanted to give their corporate contributors in expensive tax subsidies and pork projects.

Gallup reports that 43% of registered Democrats are Pro-Life. Christian, and Apostolic, Democrats don't believe in just sitting by and watching a million children be aborted ever year. They believe that we as a nation must address the issues that cause women to consider and choose abortion.

I think it's highly unfair to paint Christian and Apostolic Democrats as "Demon Crats" etc. There is more than one way to skin a cat.

Here's a question. Before Chile began to lighten up on it's abortion law it had one of the highest abortion rates in the world (99 per every 1000 pregnancies) even though it had some of the toughest laws banning abortion. Belgium is VERY liberal and is a Pro-Choice nation, however, it has one of the lowest abortion rates in the entire world (8 per ever 1000 pregnancies). Which nation has more blood on it's hands?

The difference is that Belgium is addressing issues women and families face in the economic environment today. Chile wasn't. Abortion's legality wasn't even a factor in the over all abortion rate of the nation.

Those are the cold hard unemotional facts.