Saved WithOut The Holy Ghost ?

J-Roc · #1 12-15-2007, 09:29 PM

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Now that's' funny.
He spoke in your defense, so of course you consider him "fair and balanced" . No surprise there.

I think what is clear is that you didn't seem to understand who Sam was addressing himself to. He never said those words exclusively to you. He was simply saying it to both Dan and you. Look again (Dan & French)...

TRFrance · #2 12-15-2007, 09:41 PM

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I think what is clear is that you didn't seem to understand who Sam was addressing himself to. He never said those words exclusively to you. He was simply saying it to both Dan and you. Look again (Dan & French)...

You're right. I misread it in the beginning. (sorry, Sam)

But my larger point still is that just because you criticize someone's position doesn't mean you are putting them down. Whether Sam was getting on me alone, (or both, as he was) fact is... I cant speak for Dan, but as for me, I was not putting Dan down by asking very direct questions (many which he still hasn't answered) and criticizing his arguments and scriptural approach.

But if this is all becoming too contentious, we can drop the issue if need be.
Dan doesn’t seem inclined to answer some of my direct questions and statements anyway, so we could just leave it alone.I'm ok with it.

But still

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That wasn't necessary, really.

J-Roc · #3 12-15-2007, 09:50 PM

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But still

That wasn't necessary, really.

TRFrance · #4 12-15-2007, 09:54 PM

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Originally Posted by J-Roc

(Yuck.)
I'd be ok with a hug.
Not sure about this kissing business.

J-Roc · #5 12-15-2007, 10:13 PM

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(Yuck.)
I'd be ok with a hug.
Not sure about this kissing business.

Got scriptcha for that too, bud!

Romans 16:16 - Salute one another with an holy kiss. The churches of Christ salute you.

1 Corinthians 16:20 - All the brethren greet you. Greet ye one another with an holy kiss.

2 Corinthians 13:12 - Greet one another with an holy kiss.

1 Thessalonians 5:26 - Greet all the brethren with an holy kiss.

If you want, Ronzo or Bill Price will hug your neck....(dont know if there is scripture for that though....

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J-Roc · #6 12-15-2007, 10:08 PM

"Now, brothers, I want to remind you of the gospel I preached to you, which you received and on which you have taken your stand. By this gospel you are saved, if you hold firmly to the word I preached to you. Otherwise, you have believed in vain. For what I received I passed on to you as of first importance: that Christ died for our sins according to the Scriptures, that he was buried, that he was raised on the third day according to the Scriptures,..." (1 Corinthians 15)

Why is he not mentioning Acts 2-38 as first importance? How could he have failed to mention the key verse?

stmatthew · #7 12-15-2007, 10:11 PM

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"Now, brothers, I want to remind you of the gospel I preached to you, which you received and on which you have taken your stand. By this gospel you are saved, if you hold firmly to the word I preached to you. Otherwise, you have believed in vain. For what I received I passed on to you as of first importance: that Christ died for our sins according to the Scriptures, that he was buried, that he was raised on the third day according to the Scriptures,..." (1 Corinthians 15)

Why is he not mentioning Acts 2-38 as first importance? How could he have failed to mention the key verse?

The Gospel = death, burial and resurrection of Christ

Our obedience (response) to the Gospel = death, burial, resurrection

J-Roc · #8 12-15-2007, 10:15 PM

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The Gospel = death, burial and resurrection of Christ

Our obedience (response) to the Gospel = death, burial, resurrection

Our response to the gospel is BELIEVING & TRUSTING!

That don't make sense, huh.....that's just too easy, isn't it? That's just foolishness, aint it?

stmatthew · #9 12-15-2007, 10:21 PM

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Our response to the gospel is BELIEVING & TRUSTING!

That don't make sense, huh.....that's just too easy, isn't it? That's just foolishness, aint it?

So you can believe, yet not obey? The bible states that the Spirit is given to them that OBEY. Easy believism doesn't cut it as far as salvation is concerned.

TRFrance · #10 12-15-2007, 10:23 PM

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The Gospel = death, burial and resurrection of Christ

Our obedience (response) to the Gospel = death, burial, resurrection

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Our response to the gospel is BELIEVING & TRUSTING!

That don't make sense, huh.....that's just too easy, isn't it? That's just foolishness, aint it?

J-Roc, believing and trusting don't negate the need to obey the gospel.
Why do you have a problem with the concept that the gospel requires obedience as well as belief and trust in God??