Can Apostolics be Democrats?

[ChristopherHall]

There are nearly 45 million Americans without health insurance. The vast majority of them are elderly, working poor, and single parents. Interestingly, a large number are pastors too. Does your pastor have a right to health care without becoming bankrupt?

Remember we were endowed by our creator with certain inalienable rights. Life, liberty, and the persuit of happiness. If one becomes ill with a life threatening disease do they have a right to live? If yes, they have a right to health care.

Please note, many of those unborn children we want to see born have a right to live....they too may one day need health care. Are they not entitled to it? Or do we only care about their right to live as long as they are unborn?

Funny...conservatives always talk about the right to live...until it might cost them an extra dollar or two in taxes. But what's real funny about the health insurance issue....the taxes paid into a national system would be less than the premiums they're currently paying! LOL

[Apprehended]

Originally Posted by ChristopherHall

There are nearly 45 million Americans without health insurance. The vast majority of them are elderly, working poor, and single parents. Interestingly, a large number are pastors too. Does your pastor have a right to health care without becoming bankrupt?

Remember we were endowed by our creator with certain inalienable rights. Life, liberty, and the persuit of happiness. If one becomes ill with a life threatening disease do they have a right to live? If yes, they have a right to health care.

Please note, many of those unborn children we want to see born have a right to live....they too may one day need health care. Are they not entitled to it? Or do we only care about their right to live as long as they are unborn?

Funny...conservatives always talk about the right to live...until it might cost them an extra dollar or two in taxes. But what's real funny about the health insurance issue....the taxes paid into a national system would be less than the premiums they're currently paying! LOL

This is really funny...in a wierd kind of way.

Much of the deceived public by the notion of Universal Health Care are enthusiastic about their six Democrat candidates who have promised that they would work toward getting it implemented.

It is really funny and absurd too.

The Universal Health Care plan works like the Universal Auto Insurance plan. If you drive a car on public thoroughfares, you MUST have insurnace. The government is not going to give it to you FREE. You must find a provider to buy it from.

That's really NEAT. So it is with Universal Health Care. The government will MANDATE, under their proposals that YOU BUY IT. When Hillary is pressed on the question how it is that she feels that the government can MANDATE that every citizen BUY health care for themselves, she says, "The same way that the government is already MANDATING that Auto Insurance be bought."

When asked about what kind of penalties would she suggests to be imposed upon an objector that refuses it, she said, "That is something that would have to be negotiated and worked out in Congress."

The Democrat party is the party of slavery. If you like bondage, then that is the party for you. Go for it. Personally, I don't like government mandates.

But anyway, thinking back over the Auto Insurance that the government mandated I recall how cheap the insurance was before the mandate. After the insurance companies bought and paid for enough Democrat politicians they finally got that law passed, state by state. What happened to the prive of Auto Insurance? I remember it WELL. The price went right through the roof.

What do you think will happen to the cost of Health Insurance when it becomes mandated by the government that you buy it? Right! The price will go right through the roof. Why? Well just think about it. It is really simple economics...good economics when the health providers and drug companies have the majority politicians in their shirt pockets...completely bought and paid for by the likes of George Soros and all other stock manipulators who care NOTHING about health care for all Americans but only for their balooning portfolios.

Meanwhile, with the climbing costs as the results of government mandates, in the name of "caring" and "compassion" (what a crock) are forcing more and more companies off shore. Under the Clinton Administration they begin leaving by the droves. Do you remember the story of Studebaker car company?

If you think that the Democrat party is in love with you...I hardly know what to say. When they realize that they can stay in power by giving the keys of the treasury to the insane for a vote, they will do it.

Meanwhile, there is not much left of our nation that was established on the principles of the free enterprise system. Little will be left for our children and their children. Personal responsibility is an outdated idea, nanny government to take care of us all is very much in vogue in the Democrat party.

[Sam]

Originally Posted by Apprehended

...That's really NEAT. So it is with Universal Health Care. The government will MANDATE, under their proposals that YOU BUY IT.
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Meanwhile, there is not much left of our nation that was established on the principles of the free enterprise system. Little will be left for our children and their children. Personal responsibility is an outdated idea, nanny government to take care of us all is very much in vogue in the Democrat party.

Ted Kennedy once explained how health insurance will will be provided and cost us nothing. He said, "If you work, your employer will pay for it. If you don't work, the government will pay for it."

I am retired from GE and both my wife and I are on Medicare. Right now, $93.50 is deducted from each of our Social Security checks each month for Medicare. That amounts to $187 per month for both of us or $2244 per year. In addition, we have a supplemental insurance provided by GE to cover some of the stuff the government insurance does not cover. That costs us $208 per month or $2496 per year. So we are currently paying $4740 per year for medical insurance. GE negotiates insurance costs and keeps them low for us but they go up every year. We have already been informed that the deduction from our Social Security checks for Medicare will go up in 2008 as they have in previous years.

As seniors, we see our expenses go up each year as the income remains fixed. This results in what is like a cut in income for us each year. I shudder to think how much of a cut we will take under a Socialist/Democratic administration as they "provide" us with universal health care.

[Apprehended]

Originally Posted by Sam

Ted Kennedy once explained how health insurance will will be provided and cost us nothing. He said, "If you work, your employer will pay for it. If you don't work, the government will pay for it."

I am retired from GE and both my wife and I are on Medicare. Right now, $93.50 is deducted from each of our Social Security checks each month for Medicare. That amounts to $187 per month for both of us or $2244 per year. In addition, we have a supplemental insurance provided by GE to cover some of the stuff the government insurance does not cover. That costs us $208 per month or $2496 per year. So we are currently paying $4740 per year for medical insurance. GE negotiates insurance costs and keeps them low for us but they go up every year. We have already been informed that the deduction from our Social Security checks for Medicare will go up in 2008 as they have in previous years.

As seniors, we see our expenses go up each year as the income remains fixed. This results in what is like a cut in income for us each year. I shudder to think how much of a cut we will take under a Socialist/Democratic administration as they "provide" us with universal health care.

I shutter too. I also get stammering lips but not in a good sort of way.

Remember what happend to Auto liability when it became mandated by the government? It skyrocketed in price.

There is nothing free. If some thinks that Health insurance is free because they get it from the company that they work for, they should not get out of bed in the morning. They are too blind. There is absolutely nothing free. You pay and you pay more when the government gets involved in it.

Under all of these Democrat Health insurance plans including Edwards, Hillary's and Osama's, it will all be government mandated. There is not much difference in either of their plans. A health insurance plan that would normally run five or six hundred dollars a month 80/20 co-pay with drug benefits, will double under a government mandate in a short period of time...just like auto insurance did.

But the unwashed masses that believe their lies will vote for them thinking that they are getting something FOR FREE. Hahaha... The rest of us can only laugh at the duped children following the Pied Piper merrily along.

Don't tell them that there is nothing free. They will think that you are dumb, being the progressives that they are.

[Aquila]

Originally Posted by Apprehended

This is really funny...in a wierd kind of way.

Much of the deceived public by the notion of Universal Health Care are enthusiastic about their six Democrat candidates who have promised that they would work toward getting it implemented.

It is really funny and absurd too.

The Universal Health Care plan works like the Universal Auto Insurance plan. If you drive a car on public thoroughfares, you MUST have insurnace. The government is not going to give it to you FREE. You must find a provider to buy it from.

That's really NEAT. So it is with Universal Health Care. The government will MANDATE, under their proposals that YOU BUY IT. When Hillary is pressed on the question how it is that she feels that the government can MANDATE that every citizen BUY health care for themselves, she says, "The same way that the government is already MANDATING that Auto Insurance be bought."

When asked about what kind of penalties would she suggests to be imposed upon an objector that refuses it, she said, "That is something that would have to be negotiated and worked out in Congress."

The Democrat party is the party of slavery. If you like bondage, then that is the party for you. Go for it. Personally, I don't like government mandates.

But anyway, thinking back over the Auto Insurance that the government mandated I recall how cheap the insurance was before the mandate. After the insurance companies bought and paid for enough Democrat politicians they finally got that law passed, state by state. What happened to the prive of Auto Insurance? I remember it WELL. The price went right through the roof.

What do you think will happen to the cost of Health Insurance when it becomes mandated by the government that you buy it? Right! The price will go right through the roof. Why? Well just think about it. It is really simple economics...good economics when the health providers and drug companies have the majority politicians in their shirt pockets...completely bought and paid for by the likes of George Soros and all other stock manipulators who care NOTHING about health care for all Americans but only for their balooning portfolios.

Meanwhile, with the climbing costs as the results of government mandates, in the name of "caring" and "compassion" (what a crock) are forcing more and more companies off shore. Under the Clinton Administration they begin leaving by the droves. Do you remember the story of Studebaker car company?

If you think that the Democrat party is in love with you...I hardly know what to say. When they realize that they can stay in power by giving the keys of the treasury to the insane for a vote, they will do it.

Meanwhile, there is not much left of our nation that was established on the principles of the free enterprise system. Little will be left for our children and their children. Personal responsibility is an outdated idea, nanny government to take care of us all is very much in vogue in the Democrat party.

The plans on the table with most Democrats today are more similar to the free market Republican ideas.

The idea is that "market forces" will drive down cost. If everyone was insured then hospitals will get paid. If hospitals get paid they have no loss to hand down to the consumer. If those losses are not handed down to the consumer the insurance companies will be challenged to lower insurance premiums.

It's real basic economics dude.

[ChristopherHall]

Originally Posted by Aquila

The plans on the table with most Democrats today are more similar to the free market Republican ideas.

The idea is that "market forces" will drive down cost. If everyone was insured then hospitals will get paid. If hospitals get paid they have no loss to hand down to the consumer. If those losses are not handed down to the consumer the insurance companies will be challenged to lower insurance premiums.

It's real basic economics dude.

Actually the plans being introduced by the Democrats right now will not remedy the situation. We need to either start turning people away from emergency rooms if they don't have insurance or move to a single payer system. There is the off chance that if the Democrats mandate health insurance it might drive costs down seeing that it's so high because we're paying for so many of the uninsured right now in higher premiums. If they offer a government insurance program to compete with the private insurance program it will not only drive costs of health care down, thus effecting insurance rates, it will cause competition between the government system and the private system...thus using the market forces you spoke of to force insurance companies to lower costs to keep customers. The Democrats are banking on the fact that since the government plan will be cheaper because it will cost less in taxes than the private plans with premiums and co-pays that most voluntarily move to the public system.