Saved WithOut The Holy Ghost ?

[J-Roc]

Originally Posted by stmatthew

Simply Believing in Jesus

What does this mean to you? Is this a light matter...is believing in Jesus too insufficient for you? Is he not the object of our faith? I am dismayed by this phrase as if to suggest he is not enough. Yes, believing in Jesus is the foolishness that God used. And I cling to this foolish message of believing in Him.


...he has used our foolish preaching to save those who believe. It is foolish to the Jews, who ask for signs from heaven. And it is foolish to the Greeks, who seek human wisdom. So when we preach that Christ was crucified, the Jews are offended and the Gentiles say it’s all nonsense. But to those called by God to salvation, both Jews and Gentiles, Christ is the power of God and the wisdom of God. This foolish plan of God is wiser than the wisest of human plans, and God’s weakness is stronger than the greatest of human strength. (1 Corinthians 1)

[J-Roc]

Doesn't Ron Libby hold a yearly conference during Thanksgiving for youths.... SIMPLY JESUS!

[crakjak]

Originally Posted by J-Roc

Isnt it amazing how through one man Adam we are all condemned, but through one man Jesus we are given right standing? Here is the stark contrast. How can it be that Jesus is the answer? SOMEONE PLEASE POINT ME TO THE CROSS!!!



For Adam’s sin led to condemnation, but God’s free gift leads to our being made right with God, even though we are guilty of many sins. For the sin of this one man, Adam, caused death to rule over many. But even greater is God’s wonderful grace and his gift of righteousness, for all who receive it will live in triumph over sin and death through this one man, Jesus Christ.
Yes, Adam’s one sin brings condemnation for everyone, but Christ’s one act of righteousness brings a right relationship with God and new life for everyone. Because one person disobeyed God, many became sinners. But because one other person obeyed God, many will be made righteous. (Romans 5)

Don't you know Romans is a foreign lanugage to most OP's?

[J-Roc]

Originally Posted by crakjak

Don't you know Romans is a foreign lanugage to most OP's?

Evidently...


Many think "believing" is an insignificant matter. Yet, it is of utmost importance when it is placed on the crucified Jesus.

[BoredOutOfMyMind]

Originally Posted by J-Roc

What does this mean to you? Is this a light matter...is believing in Jesus too insufficient for you? Is he not the object of our faith? I am dismayed by this phrase as if to suggest he is not enough. Yes, believing in Jesus is the foolishness that God used. And I cling to this foolish message of believing in Him.


...he has used our foolish preaching to save those who believe. It is foolish to the Jews, who ask for signs from heaven. And it is foolish to the Greeks, who seek human wisdom. So when we preach that Christ was crucified, the Jews are offended and the Gentiles say it’s all nonsense. But to those called by God to salvation, both Jews and Gentiles, Christ is the power of God and the wisdom of God. This foolish plan of God is wiser than the wisest of human plans, and God’s weakness is stronger than the greatest of human strength. (1 Corinthians 1)

So to you not only The Infilling of The Holy Ghost, but also Repentance and Water Baptism is optional?

:covered

[J-Roc]

Originally Posted by BoredOutOfMyMind

So to you not only The Infilling of The Holy Ghost, but also Repentance and Water Baptism is optional?

:covered

I've yet to see you delve deep in these matters on any thread...please provide some meat and I'd be happy to engage.

[BoredOutOfMyMind]

Originally Posted by J-Roc

I've yet to see you delve deep in these matters on any thread...please provide some meat and I'd be happy to engage.

It is a direct question. You sidestepped almost as good as Daniel, but it is a simple direct question. Let me simplify it again for you.

A- Do you believe in essentially of Repentance, Water Baptism, and the Infilling of the Holy Ghost?

B- Do you not believe the above?

Your posting that I have read on this thread screams out B, and so that is why I asked a simple question. A 4 yr old child can answer yes or no. Why did you make it sound like this is so deep you cannot?

[TRFrance]

On the board last night I went on a bit of a rant in response to a previous post by Sam that was directed at both me and Dan. I had carelessly misread the post initially, not realizing it was directed at both of us, rather than just me, as it seemed at first glance.

My apologies,not just to Sam, but to all, for for speaking rashly. I apologized on the board last night, briefly. But I thought I should come back to apologize more fully. I'll be more careful in the future.

Peace 2 all.

[mizpeh]

Originally Posted by TRFrance

On the board last night I went on a bit of a rant in response to a previous post by Sam that was directed at both me and Dan. I had carelessly misread the post initially, not realizing it was directed at both of us, rather than just me, as it seemed at first glance.

My apologies,not just to Sam, but to all, for for speaking rashly. I apologized on the board last night, briefly. But I thought I should come back to apologize more fully. I'll be more careful in the future.

Peace 2 all.

I wasn't offended but thank you for this.

[SDG]

Originally Posted by BoredOutOfMyMind

It is a direct question. You sidestepped almost as good as Daniel, but it is a simple direct question. Let me simplify it again for you.

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A- Do you believe in essentially of Repentance, Water Baptism, and the Infilling of the Holy Ghost?

B- Do you not believe the above?

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Your posting that I have read on this thread screams out B, and so that is why I asked a simple question. A 4 yr old child can answer yes or no. Why did you make it sound like this is so deep you cannot?

Originally Posted by TRFrance

On the board last night I went on a bit of a rant in response to a previous post by Sam that was directed at both me and Dan. I had carelessly misread the post initially, not realizing it was directed at both of us, rather than just me, as it seemed at first glance.

My apologies,not just to Sam, but to all, for for speaking rashly. I apologized on the board last night, briefly. But I thought I should come back to apologize more fully. I'll be more careful in the future.

Peace 2 all.

It's cool TR. Love ya, bro.

Saving my darts for another day .... y'all have fun.

Oh ... wait ..

BOOM ... the simple answer to your simple question is YES.

Yet, re-asking a question ... is not substantive or somehow proof you've "cornered" someone.

Your question perhaps is mistyped because ... essentially J-Roc believes in relation to a genuinely repentant believer that baptism is important and necessary for obedience. He also believes that a born again believer is by virtue of his new birth indwelt w/ the Holy Ghost ... that's what makes us new creatures.

It's hilarious to hear you guys ... ask DO YOU BELIEVE THIS ... after 10 months of ring around the rosy.

We are not discussing if we believe in Acts 2:38 ... we all do ... and believe it's the God-breathed inerrant Word of God ...

but, once again, we are discussing the when, how and what of our initial salvation and regeneration. Including topics about remission, justification, sanctification, etc.

It boggles my mind to see how radical orthodoxy can cloud reason. Not liking an answer or an explanation does not mean a plausible interpretation has not been given. Your inability to process the explanation w/o having to accept it may show an inability to think and read critically.

IT IS POSSIBLE TO BELIEVE IN THE SAME CONCEPTS AND NOT INTERPRET IT IN THE SAME WAY ...

This a truth that perhaps a 4 year old cannot grasp because he is in a pre-operational and simple concrete operations stage.

Furthermore, it is intellectually dishonest to use this interrogative technique if you do understand the layers to this soteriological discussion and continue to ask.

In the end, we still all can and will throw around the side-stepping, dodger, dancer labels because we feel a person hasn't answered our question w/ the answer we have in our noggins ....

So we continue .... COME LET US REASON.