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12-16-2007, 07:48 AM
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If there was anything that got A.D. Urshan RILED up was someone trying to tell him that he was not saved before he got the Holy Ghost or was baptized in Jesus' name.
Once Nathan was trying to convince his father that he was not saved until then, A. D. Urshan shot back... I got SOMETHING!
The truth is, none of those early Oneness pioneers after 1913 ever thought that their Trinitarian friends were not saved. They only saw themselves as walking in a greater light as it was revealed to them, never questioning the salvation of those of whom they were formerly associated with who did not see the presently revealed light.
Are we now saying that those early pioneers were mistaken? I think that if they were alive today they would be appalled at some of our attitudes. What do you think?
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12-16-2007, 08:22 AM
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Originally Posted by Apprehended
If there was anything that got A.D. Urshan RILED up was someone trying to tell him that he was not saved before he got the Holy Ghost or was baptized in Jesus' name.
Once Nathan was trying to convince his father that he was not saved until then, A. D. Urshan shot back... I got SOMETHING!
The truth is, none of those early Oneness pioneers after 1913 ever thought that their Trinitarian friends were not saved. They only saw themselves as walking in a greater light as it was revealed to them, never questioning the salvation of those of whom they were formerly associated with who did not see the presently revealed light.
Are we now saying that those early pioneers were mistaken? I think that if they were alive today they would be appalled at some of our attitudes. What do you think?
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We must be born again of the water and the Spirit to enter into the kingdom of God and if the new birth is the Acts 2:38 experience then it is a MUST.
BTW, faith and repentance are nothing to be snickered at, they made a HUGE change in my life. 
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To be a servant of God, it will cost us our total commitment to God, and God alone. His burden must be our burden... Sis Alvear
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12-16-2007, 09:30 AM
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Originally Posted by mizpeh
We must be born again of the water and the Spirit to enter into the kingdom of God and if the new birth is the Acts 2:38 experience then it is a MUST.
BTW, faith and repentance are nothing to be snickered at, they made a HUGE change in my life. |
With your present three step position, how can you now say mere faith and repentance made a difference in your life? Are you now saying that at FAITH and REPENTANCE that you considered yourself walking in the LIGHT?
The question is...Were you walking in the light at FAITH and REPENTANCE?
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12-16-2007, 12:31 PM
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Originally Posted by Apprehended
With your present three step position, how can you now say mere faith and repentance made a difference in your life? Are you now saying that at FAITH and REPENTANCE that you considered yourself walking in the LIGHT?
The question is...Were you walking in the light at FAITH and REPENTANCE?
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I was an atheist. Believing in God was a huge change in my view of the world. Repentance completely changed the way I thought. My mind was no longer blinded to the life of God and the gospel of Jesus Christ. I no longer wanted to do the things I did when I walked in darkness. I thought about God all the time. I read the Bible every chance I got. I talked about God to anyone who would listen. LOL
Yes, when someone repents they are walking in the light. But that does not mean the Spirit of God was in me, He was with me. 
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His banner over me is LOVE.... My soul followeth hard after thee....Love one another with a pure heart fervently. Jesus saith unto her, Said I not unto thee, that, if thou wouldest believe, thou shouldest see the glory of God?
To be a servant of God, it will cost us our total commitment to God, and God alone. His burden must be our burden... Sis Alvear
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12-16-2007, 01:52 PM
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Originally Posted by mizpeh
I was an atheist. Believing in God was a huge change in my view of the world. Repentance completely changed the way I thought. My mind was no longer blinded to the life of God and the gospel of Jesus Christ. I no longer wanted to do the things I did when I walked in darkness. I thought about God all the time. I read the Bible every chance I got. I talked about God to anyone who would listen. LOL
Yes, when someone repents they are walking in the light. But that does not mean the Spirit of God was in me, He was with me. |
This touches my heart. I am so thankful that God has done so much for you. I am deeply touched at this testimony. God bless you brother/sister.
But, there can be no change in one's life simply be one being WITH you. There was a LIGHT IN YOU. That light in you gave you a change in your INWARD parts. It was a CONVERSION. That conversion was that of making aright that which was upside down and perverted. That was an INWARD effect by an INWARD dwelling SPIRIT...no I did not say baptism but an INWARD Spirit of a divine nature. Remember God was with you, even when you were an atheist...otherwise, He could never have led you to your crisis point of faith and repentance.
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12-16-2007, 02:16 PM
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Originally Posted by Apprehended
This touches my heart. I am so thankful that God has done so much for you. I am deeply touched at this testimony. God bless you brother/sister.
But, there can be no change in one's life simply be one being WITH you. There was a LIGHT IN YOU. That light in you gave you a change in your INWARD parts. It was a CONVERSION. That conversion was that of making aright that which was upside down and perverted. That was an INWARD effect by an INWARD dwelling SPIRIT...no I did not say baptism but an INWARD Spirit of a divine nature. Remember God was with you, even when you were an atheist...otherwise, He could never have led you to your crisis point of faith and repentance.
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Good words APP. This is how I see it too.
In any case, a life transformed by the love of God is cause for rejoicing!
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Articles on such subjects as "The New Birth," will be accepted, whether they teach that the new birth takes place before baptism in water and Spirit, or that the new birth consists of baptism of water and Spirit. - THE PENTECOSTAL HERALD Dec. 1945
"It is doubtful if any Trinitarian Pentecostals have ever professed to believe in three gods, and Oneness Pentecostals should not claim that they do." - Daniel Segraves
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12-16-2007, 12:23 PM
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Originally Posted by Apprehended
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The truth is, none of those early Oneness pioneers after 1913 ever thought that their Trinitarian friends were not saved. They only saw themselves as walking in a greater light as it was revealed to them, never questioning the salvation of those of whom they were formerly associated with who did not see the presently revealed light.
Are we now saying that those early pioneers were mistaken? I think that if they were alive today they would be appalled at some of our attitudes. What do you think?
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I agree. This is obvious.
My father was saved in 1930, my mother in 1935, and the old timers did not teach the exclusivism so prevalent in the UPCI today.
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