Forgiveness prior to baptism

[Adino]

Originally Posted by Joelel

Remission or forgiveness of sins is in the word obeying and continuing in the word and light.We must always connect being saved with forgiveness of sins.If your saved your forgiven and if your forgiven your saved.Jesus is the word or blood,if you continue in Jesus the word the blood your forgiven and saved.All the truth of the new testament is the blood of Jesus.The blood is in the word when we obey.

Matt.26
[28] For this is my blood of the new testament(covenant), which is shed for many for the remission of sins.

1Cor.015:001 Moreover, brethren, I declare unto you the gospel (truth) which I preached unto you, which also ye have received, and wherein ye stand; 015:002By which also ye are saved, if ye keep in memory what I preached unto you, unless ye have believed in vain.

We are saved by regeneration of the Holy Ghost.Keep in mind if were saved were forgiven.
Tit.3
[5] Not by works of righteousness which we have done, but according to his mercy he saved us, by the washing of regeneration, and renewing of the Holy Ghost;

We confess in water.
Matt.3
[6] And were baptized of him in Jordan, confessing their sins.

1John.1
[9] If we confess our sins, he is faithful and just to forgive us our sins, and to cleanse us from all unrighteousness.

1John.1
[7] But if we walk in the light, as he is in the light, we have fellowship one with another, and the blood of Jesus Christ his Son cleanseth us from all sin.
John8:31. Then said Jesus to those Jews which believed on him, If ye continue in my word, then are ye my disciples indeed;32. And ye shall know the truth (word) , and the truth shall make you free.


1 Tim.004:016Take heed unto thyself, and unto the doctrine; (teachings,word,Truth) continue in them: for in doing this thou shalt both save thyself, and them that hear thee.

I do not see 1John 1:9 as a verse dealing with a saved person confessing sins. One who is saved has the imputation of righteousness perpetually as long as he continues to believe. We "walk in the light" of the truth of the Gospel and his blood perpetually cleanses us.

1John was written to saved persons and to gnostics who had crept into the crowd. These gnostics refused to believe that anything they did could effect their spiritual soul. John was calling on them to recognize their depravity and confess.

[Joelel]

Originally Posted by Adino

I do not see 1John 1:9 as a verse dealing with a saved person confessing sins. One who is saved has the imputation of righteousness perpetually as long as he continues to believe. We "walk in the light" of the truth of the Gospel and his blood perpetually cleanses us.

1John was written to saved persons and to gnostics who had crept into the crowd. These gnostics refused to believe that anything they did could effect their spiritual soul. John was calling on them to recognize their depravity and confess.

I was showing how we are saved and forgiven and stay saved and forgiven by continuing in the word and light.If we don't continue in Jesus the word we are not saved and forgiven and the blood can't be applied..

[Adino]

Originally Posted by Joelel

I was showing how we are saved and forgiven and stay saved and forgiven by continuing in the word and light.If we don't continue in Jesus the word we are not saved and forgiven and the blood can'y be applied..

As long as we realize the light we continue in is the acceptance of Christ. It is faith in Christ which perpetuates our right standing and not the performance of baptism or the manifestation of tongues.

Our standing continually rests ON HIM and not on the things we do as an outcropping of our having been saved.

Have a Merry Christmas, friend!

[Joelel]

Originally Posted by Adino

As long as we realize the light we continue in is the acceptance of Christ. It is faith in Christ which perpetuates our right standing and not the performance of baptism or the manifestation of tongues.

Our standing continually rests ON HIM and not on the things we do as an outcropping of our having been saved.

Have a Merry Christmas, friend!

Nope,The scripture teaches walking in the light is love and keeping his commandments.If we love and keep his commandments only then can the blood cleanse us from sin.The blood is applied in keeping his word.That includes believing,repenting,being baptized,being filled with the Holy Ghost,loving,keeping his commandments,all of his teachings.You see we are saved by faith.Truth of God's word gives faith.

1 John 1:[4] And these things write we unto you, that your joy may be full.
[5] This then is the message which we have heard of him, and declare unto you, that God is light, and in him is no darkness at all.
[6] If we say that we have fellowship with him, and walk in darkness, we lie, and do not the truth:
[7] But if we walk in the light, as he is in the light, we have fellowship one with another, and the blood of Jesus Christ his Son cleanseth us from all sin.[8] If we say that we have no sin, we deceive ourselves, and the truth is not in us.
[9] If we confess our sins, he is faithful and just to forgive us our sins, and to cleanse us from all unrighteousness.
[10] If we say that we have not sinned, we make him a liar, and his word is not in us.

2:[1] My little children, these things write I unto you, that ye sin not. And if any man sin, we have an advocate with the Father, Jesus Christ the righteous:
[2] And he is the propitiation for our sins: and not for ours only, but also for the sins of the whole world.
[3] And hereby we do know that we know him, if we keep his commandments.[4] He that saith, I know him, and keepeth not his commandments, is a liar, and the truth is not in him.
[5] But whoso keepeth his word, in him verily is the love of God perfected: hereby know we that we are in him.
[6] He that saith he abideth in him ought himself also so to walk, even as he walked.
[7] Brethren, I write no new commandment unto you, but an old commandment which ye had from the beginning. The old commandment is the word which ye have heard from the beginning.
[8] Again, a new commandment I write unto you, which thing is true in him and in you: because the darkness is past, and the true light now shineth.
[9] He that saith he is in the light, and hateth his brother, is in darkness even until now.
[10] He that loveth his brother abideth in the light, and there is none occasion of stumbling in him.
[11] But he that hateth his brother is in darkness, and walketh in darkness, and knoweth not whither he goeth, because that darkness hath blinded his eyes.

[Adino]

Originally Posted by Joelel

Nope,The scripture teaches walking in the light is love and keeping his commandments.If we love and keep his commandments only then can the blood cleanse us from sin.The blood is applied in keeping his word.That includes believing,repenting,being baptized,being filled with the Holy Ghost,loving,keeping his commandments,all of his teachings.You see we are saved by faith.Truth of God's word gives faith.

1 John 1:[4] And these things write we unto you, that your joy may be full.
[5] This then is the message which we have heard of him, and declare unto you, that God is light, and in him is no darkness at all.
[6] If we say that we have fellowship with him, and walk in darkness, we lie, and do not the truth:
[7] But if we walk in the light, as he is in the light, we have fellowship one with another, and the blood of Jesus Christ his Son cleanseth us from all sin.[8] If we say that we have no sin, we deceive ourselves, and the truth is not in us.
[9] If we confess our sins, he is faithful and just to forgive us our sins, and to cleanse us from all unrighteousness.
[10] If we say that we have not sinned, we make him a liar, and his word is not in us.

2:[1] My little children, these things write I unto you, that ye sin not. And if any man sin, we have an advocate with the Father, Jesus Christ the righteous:
[2] And he is the propitiation for our sins: and not for ours only, but also for the sins of the whole world.
[3] And hereby we do know that we know him, if we keep his commandments.[4] He that saith, I know him, and keepeth not his commandments, is a liar, and the truth is not in him.
[5] But whoso keepeth his word, in him verily is the love of God perfected: hereby know we that we are in him.
[6] He that saith he abideth in him ought himself also so to walk, even as he walked.
[7] Brethren, I write no new commandment unto you, but an old commandment which ye had from the beginning. The old commandment is the word which ye have heard from the beginning.
[8] Again, a new commandment I write unto you, which thing is true in him and in you: because the darkness is past, and the true light now shineth.
[9] He that saith he is in the light, and hateth his brother, is in darkness even until now.
[10] He that loveth his brother abideth in the light, and there is none occasion of stumbling in him.
[11] But he that hateth his brother is in darkness, and walketh in darkness, and knoweth not whither he goeth, because that darkness hath blinded his eyes.

There you are back in 1John again. I thought I told you already that 1John deals with gnostic heresy. The light of the Gospel of Christ is the light John is trying to get the heretics to walk in. The gnostics did not believe anything of the physical world could effect their spiritual status, because they believed all matter was evil. They had a skewed view of the depravity of man and because of this skewed view had rejected the idea that Jesus had risen physically. They simply did not believe. He wanted them to walk in the light of the Gospel truth of Christ (1John 3:23; 4:15; 5:1-21). The commandment of God was to believe (1John 3:23).

Originally Posted by Adino

There you are back in 1John again. I thought I told you already that 1John deals with gnostic heresy. The light of the Gospel of Christ is the light John is trying to get the heretics to walk in. The gnostics did not believe anything of the physical world could effect their spiritual status, because they believed all matter was evil. They had a skewed view of the depravity of man and because of this skewed view had rejected the idea that Jesus had risen physically. They simply did not believe. He wanted them to walk in the light of the Gospel truth of Christ (1John 3:23; 4:15; 5:1-21). The commandment of God was to believe (1John 3:23).

But Adino, everyone knows we can't interpret scripture through context, culture, or history. We can only take it literally at face value with no other filters whatsoever.

*wink*