Forgiveness prior to baptism

[mizpeh]

Originally Posted by Adino

Completely, understood, Mizpeh.... which is why I made it a point to direct attention to the other places in Scripture where the phrase is "repentance EIS remission of sins." My question is more why the Nestle Aland text chose to remain consistent on the relation between repentance and forgiveness when the others did not.

In those verses you leave out an important aspect of repentance for the remission of sins .....baptism. It was called the baptism of repentance for the remission of sins. These folks coming to John the Baptist confessed their sins and were baptized. Mark 1:5 What I'm trying to say is they were not only repenting apart from baptism as in Acts 2:28 but they were being baptized unto repentance for the remission of sins. Matt 3:11 Water baptism was a necessary ingredient.

The phrase “repentance and remission of sins” in the Nestle Aland Greek version of Luke 24:47 is “metanoia eis aphesis” which is everywhere else interpreted “repentance FOR (EIS) the remission of sins.”


Mark 1:4
John did baptize in the wilderness, and preach the baptism of repentance for (eis) the remission of sins.
Luke 3:3
And he came into all the country about Jordan, preaching the baptism of repentance for (eis) the remission of sins;
John’s baptism pointed to repentance which was FOR the remission of sins.

You cannot find "preached through faith in the name of Jesus" in Acts 10:43. That is you interpretation of what it says. I would say that "through his name whosoever believeth in him" means exactly what it say...the name of Jesus is somehow involved in the remission of sins. And I suggest it is when we call on his name at water baptism as Paul was commanded to do in Acts 22:16 that we invoke the Spirit of Christ to perform a spiritual circumcision in our hearts.

There is strong evidence to suggest that Luke 24:47 teaches that “repentance FOR (EIS) the remission of sins” was to be preached through faith in the name of Jesus!


Acts 10:43
To him give all the prophets witness, that through his name whosoever believeth in him shall receive remission of sins.
The repenting heart returning to God via faith in Jesus Christ absolutely SHALL receive the remission / forgiveness of sins.

[Adino]

Originally Posted by mizpeh

You cannot find "preached through faith in the name of Jesus" in Acts 10:43. That is you interpretation of what it says.

Uh,... no. I was speaking of Luke 24:47.

Luke 24:47

And that repentance [eis] remission of sins should be preached in his name among all nations, beginning at Jerusalem.

If you want to know where I get "through faith in his name" as an understanding for "preached in his name" then go to Acts 3:16 which states:

And his name through faith in his name hath made this man strong, whom ye see and know: yea, the faith which is by him hath given him this perfect soundness in the presence of you all.

And then to Acts 13:38-39....

Acts 13:38-39

Be it known unto you therefore, men and brethren, that through this man is preached unto you the forgiveness of sins: And by him all that believe are justified from all things, from which ye could not be justified by the law of Moses.

We can now go to Acts 10:43....

To him give all the prophets witness, that through his name whosoever believeth in him shall receive remission of sins.

Faith comes by hearing the word of God (Romans 10:17). Those who hear the word of God, understand with their heart and are converted to Christ absolutely ARE forgiven (Isaiah 6:10; Matthew 13:15; Mark 4:11-12; John 12:37-40; and Acts 28:23-29). Whoever converts..... receives forgiveness (Acts 10:43).

My point concerning Acts 10:43 was...

The repenting heart returning to God via faith in Jesus Christ absolutely SHALL receive the remission / forgiveness of sins.

I stand by this statement because it is absolutley true.

[mizpeh]

Originally Posted by Adino

My point concerning Acts 10:43 was...
I stand by this statement because it is absolutley true.

I agree with your statement as well:

The repenting heart returning to God via faith in Jesus Christ absolutely SHALL receive the remission / forgiveness of sins.

I don't agree with you on 'when' remission of sins happens.

]If you want to know where I get "through faith in his name" as an understanding for "preached in his name" then go to Acts 3:16 which states:

These terms are not synonomous. But preaching the gospel, the message of peace with God, that Jesus brought does brings faith and that faith in Jesus with the name of Jesus being invoked brings healing. Maybe that's what you saying but it didn't read that way in your other post that I responded to.