Stop looking at Acts 2:38 through the mirror and seeing the cross behind you!
Turn around and see the Lord hanging on the Cross for the sins of all Mankind!
Nathan Eckstadt
Turns out you and I have little to discuss Bro. Nathan. Great and Spiritual post. God bless you.
__________________ You can't reach the world with your talents. People are sick and tired of religious talents. People need a Holy Ghost annointed church with real fruits to reach out and touch their lives. ~ Pastor Burrell Crabtree
In fact I think that the insinuation of "hateful" Pentecostals is coming mostly from the fertile imaginations of bitter, backslidden ex Apostolics who are constantly trying to find a way to justify their actions. ~ strait shooter
This question will resolve the issue if it is answered:
Is water baptism a command found in Scripture?
If so, failure to be water baptized or teach water baptism as a necessity for the Christian is disobedience. If not, it's merely a suggestion, another unnecessary Christian ritual.
For those who are very interested in studying baptism, there is another thread on it that I started. I'd like some of your thoughts on it. It's in regards to water baptism and pouring:
There is a purpose of preaching truths. It is done that men may "hear." If the light and understanding does not dawn by the preaching of those truths, men can only walk in the knowledge and understanding that they have and can obey only to what they have light and understanding.
God is not unmerciful to a honest soul seeking his way to Him. God is good. He is kind and gracious. He is not the unmerciful, fiendish God that some seem to think that he is, willing to cast into hell an honest soul that has had their sin forgiven while in deep contrition, begging for his mercy and pardon.
A clear vision of the cross and the love of God that was poured out on Calvary's hill would change a lot of people's minds about Him. His grace, love is so wide, the expanse is so great that it goes beyond anything that so many of us are willing to give him credit for.
It is not so that if God does not fit in out little understanding of our catechism that it can't be righteousness. God is greater than our opinion of Him.
Easy brother, this falls within the realm of debate "within" the apostolic beliefs, yet if started , that debate should be policed so as not to allow other posting that are obviously not even close to apostolic doctrine, ie. all are saved in the end, once saved always save, etc. Let those post debates against our doctrine in a different area,
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This is not Admin. Friends Forum, it is the Apostolic Friends Forum!! It is our board, our belief, our gospel!! If anyone turns away from a thread hijacked by those against us, it better be to call in the rest of the forum and make a stand!
(PS .. there are some here who have asked questions of me I have not answered, You deserve a reason. This thread has branches going into different debates, which was not Matts intention. I could start 20 threads on just the questions asked of me. I will try to return responses asap but would prefer to do so on threads pertaining to that subject. If you require an answer or understanding of me that can't wait, then please pm me. Thanks, and God Bless you all)
I appreciate your concerns Scotty, but I'm still looking for answers.
I'm afraid I haven't had an opportunity to get to know you, but I would like to point out a problem I have with the underlined statement above (underlined by me for emphasis). While I share your democratic sentiments about life on the board, for all practical purposes the AFF board does belong to a group of people and the Admin team is delegated to at least try and keep the whole project on course. To be successful they obviously have to allow a certain spontaneity and chaos to reign, but that's part of the fun too.
However, it really is their board. If BOOMM were to insert a script limiting access to only Ubuntu users, then that's just the way it goes. Either ditch Windows or move on to about.com. It's their board. (I've broken up this response into two parts... and that was a rather rude ending, so please continue reading).
Easy brother, this falls within the realm of debate "within" the apostolic beliefs, yet if started , that debate should be policed so as not to allow other posting that are obviously not even close to apostolic doctrine, ie. all are saved in the end, once saved always save, etc. Let those post debates against our doctrine in a different area,
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Next, you started to address my question, but I don't know if you've considered the implications of "within Apostolics." Our Apostolic pioneers in the early 20th century were all Trintarians at one time. "Within Apostolics" included discussion promoting the doctrine of the Trinity and many other topics that are not always thought to be "Apostolic" by some people today.
Further, ever since 1945 there has been a very strong move by some to remove Apostolic material and writings from the books published by the Pentecostal Publishing House. Why are some things considered to be "acceptable" Apostolic material and other things are said to be unacceptable? At the PPH the decisions were and are made behind closed doors by a small handful of men. Why are these guys the "guardians" of what is to be considered Apostolic?
Boards like AFF and its predecessors sprang up to allow a fuller discussion of these issues that were being silenced by officialdom. We should follow that spirit and allow for frank but respectful dialogue. There is a lot that has been swept under the rug. It's nice to learn about some of the bumps in the carpeting that we've been stumbling over for so many years.
I know for a fact that I could get a good fight brewing simply by preaching A.D. Urshan's doctrines and telling everyone else that "You're not Apostolic because you don't follow our great Apostolic pioneer, A.D. Urshan!" From your posts, I think that you would fall into this catagory of "non-Apostolics."
So what are the admins to do? Kick Scotty off the board for not being an Apostolic? What if we instead insert the name S.G. Norris? Or Howard A. Goss? What about men who were as diverse as John H. Dearing and W.T. Witherspoon?
From reading your posts over just the last few days, Scotty, my impression is that you don 't really line up with any of our Apostolic pioneers. Should I mount a campaign to get you banned?
I don't think I will. But, for the admin team; How do I answer Scotty when he asks me "What are you talking about- not lining up?" To be fair to Scotty I would have to give a good accounting of myself, and in the end, brethren, you know I'm right. The policy of exclusivism was never Apostolic until just recently.
There is a purpose of preaching truths. It is done that men may "hear." If the light and understanding does not dawn by the preaching of those truths, men can only walk in the knowledge and understanding that they have and can obey only to what they have light and understanding.
God is not unmerciful to a honest soul seeking his way to Him. God is good. He is kind and gracious. He is not the unmerciful, fiendish God that some seem to think that he is, willing to cast into hell an honest soul that has had their sin forgiven while in deep contrition, begging for his mercy and pardon.
A clear vision of the cross and the love of God that was poured out on Calvary's hill would change a lot of people's minds about Him. His grace, love is so wide, the expanse is so great that it goes beyond anything that so many of us are willing to give him credit for.
It is not so that if God does not fit in out little understanding of our catechism that it can't be righteousness. God is greater than our opinion of Him.
Beautiful words, Apprehended.
"Not as though I had already attained, either were already perfect: but I follow after, if that I may apprehend that for which also I am apprehended of Christ Jesus" (Philippians 3:12).
From reading your posts over just the last few days, Scotty, my impression is that you don 't really line up with any of our Apostolic pioneers. Should I mount a campaign to get you banned?
Really? I would be curious to know what post that would be?
__________________ You can't reach the world with your talents. People are sick and tired of religious talents. People need a Holy Ghost annointed church with real fruits to reach out and touch their lives. ~ Pastor Burrell Crabtree
In fact I think that the insinuation of "hateful" Pentecostals is coming mostly from the fertile imaginations of bitter, backslidden ex Apostolics who are constantly trying to find a way to justify their actions. ~ strait shooter
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