Andrew Urshan's Conversion

[ChTatum]

Originally Posted by Apprehended

I realize that the Dugas' are relatives to the Urshans but to have done that would be a greivous crime against truth in an attempt to alter or obscure Pentecostal history. What a horrible shame. This crime would be on the same level as the RCC destroying all writings of Oneness teachers in the third and fourth centuries.

The Dugas' are super cons so I suppose that this crime might be expected of them. To do such a dastardly deed is dishonest to the core. I can only shake my head in disgust.

I have the old copy also that Sam has. It reads as Sam pasted it.

I don't see why anyone would say such a thing.
If it was dishonest, dishonesty is a heart condition that knows no boundary, being present in ALL camps, from liberal to ultra-con.

[RevBuddy]

Sam, I have read this same version (as you posted)...it is an interesting and thought provoking book...

Have you listened to any of his teaching or sermons? Very interesting delivery and solid stance when giving his opinions...quite a colorful "First" generation Pentecostal!!

[Sam]

Originally Posted by RevBuddy

Sam, I have read this same version (as you posted)...it is an interesting and thought provoking book...

Have you listened to any of his teaching or sermons? Very interesting delivery and solid stance when giving his opinions...quite a colorful "First" generation Pentecostal!!

AD Urshan visited St. Paul while I was there in 1956/1957. He spoke at Midway Tabernacle. I don't remember whether it was one sermon or more. A couple of things I remember about him. He spoke on, "The Elect of God, Who Are They?" What he did was just take the verses in the Bible that use the term "elect" and talked about them a little. For example, Luke 18:7 says, "shall not God avenge His own elect who cry out day and night to Him?" and then went on to say that God's elect are people of prayer. Another verse he quoted was Matthew 24:24 which says, "if it were possible they shall deceive the very elect" and went on to talk about how God's elect are not deceived. He just used a lot of Scripture. Another thing about him that struck me was his accent. He was understandable but seemed to not use articles like "a," or "an" or "the."

[Sam]

I also have a couple of his books and noticed that he uses the term "three-one" God and "triune" God.

[Apprehended]

Originally Posted by ChTatum

I don't see why anyone would say such a thing.
If it was dishonest, dishonesty is a heart condition that knows no boundary, being present in ALL camps, from liberal to ultra-con.

That is true.

But don't you think that the censorship attitude is more prevalent among the UC crowd? I may have overstated the case some but I think that I am generally right about that. Could be wrong. Hope so.

[Apprehended]

Originally Posted by Sam

I also have a couple of his books and noticed that he uses the term "three-one" God and "triune" God.

That is right. I was just looking at that book a few minutes ago.

[Apprehended]

The book is entitled, "The Almighty God in the Lord Jesus Christ."

[RevBuddy]

Sam:

You're absolutely right about the accent...it was very unique...and hard to pin down as to the exact origin...he was also one of the most confident men ever...he could not be intimidated...whether standing up and praying in a restaurant or replying to questions during a Bible study...all done without regard to being "looked at funny" or feeling self-conscious...one of the all-time interesting Pentecostal characters...

[Apprehended]

Originally Posted by RevBuddy

Sam:

You're absolutely right about the accent...it was very unique...and hard to pin down as to the exact origin...he was also one of the most confident men ever...he could not be intimidated...whether standing up and praying in a restaurant or replying to questions during a Bible study...all done without regard to being "look at funny" or feeling self-conscious...one of the all-time interesting Pentecostal characters...

I loved the way that he pronounced DOOT TRONOMIE. Ever hear him sing and play the the piano in that minor key?

[RevBuddy]

Absolutely!! I've got an old tape around here someplace and he's teaching a Bible study...it's a great study, but you have to listen closely to understand exactly what he's saying...

But, he does get his point across and very effectively...where are such men today??? The question makes me feel sad for some reason...