It appears to me that three stepper Apostolics (and I am oneof them) have become professionals at minimizing the all inclusive power of the blood of Jesus as evidenced in this discussion. Acts, without the Gospel is bloodless.
It appears to me that three stepper Apostolics (and I am oneof them) have become professionals at minimizing the all inclusive power of the blood of Jesus as evidenced in this discussion. Acts, without the Gospel is bloodless.
that may be true in some instances but not in this thread.
we have repeatedly stated that we believe the Gospel, preach the Gospel, love the Gospel. the Gospel is JESUS. it is what Peter preached on the Day of Pentecost.
im not sure what you are talking about?
Just because our detractors have said this does not make it true.
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that may be true in some instances but not in this thread.
we have repeatedly stated that we believe the Gospel, preach the Gospel, love the Gospel. the Gospel is JESUS. it is what Peter preached on the Day of Pentecost.
im not sure what you are talking about?
Just because our detractors have said this does not make it true.
Sad isn't it? And this person claims to be a 3 stepper...
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There is One God. This one God reveals Himself distinctly as Father, Son and Holy Ghost.
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Every sinner must repent of their sins.
That Jesus name baptism is the only biblical mode of water baptism.
That the Holy Ghost is for today and is received by faith with the initial evidence of speaking in tongues.
The saint will go on to strive to live a holy life, pleasing to God.
It appears to me that three stepper Apostolics (and I am oneof them) have become professionals at minimizing the all inclusive power of the blood of Jesus as evidenced in this discussion. Acts, without the Gospel is bloodless.
The blood of Christ washes away our sins when we are baptized in Jesus name. There is no minimization going on but a spiritual circumcision, a removal of the body of sin by the blood of Jesus.
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His banner over me is LOVE.... My soul followeth hard after thee....Love one another with a pure heart fervently. Jesus saith unto her, Said I not unto thee, that, if thou wouldest believe, thou shouldest see the glory of God?
To be a servant of God, it will cost us our total commitment to God, and God alone. His burden must be our burden... Sis Alvear
The blood of Christ washes away our sins when we are baptized in Jesus name. There is no minimization going on but a spiritual circumcision, a removal of the body of sin by the blood of Jesus.
Therefore, according to your interpretation of Acts and the Epistles, one cannot expect to have their sins forgiven and cast into the sea of forgetfulness until one is water baptized??? Is that what you are saying? If so, I disagree with your interpretation of Acts and the Epistles.
Therefore, according to your interpretation of Acts and the Epistles, one cannot expect to have their sins forgiven and cast into the sea of forgetfulness until one is water baptized??? Is that what you are saying? If so, I disagree with your interpretation of Acts and the Epistles.
From what I understand of the word of God at this moment, yes, water baptism in Jesus name is for (not because of ) the remission of sins.
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His banner over me is LOVE.... My soul followeth hard after thee....Love one another with a pure heart fervently. Jesus saith unto her, Said I not unto thee, that, if thou wouldest believe, thou shouldest see the glory of God?
To be a servant of God, it will cost us our total commitment to God, and God alone. His burden must be our burden... Sis Alvear
From what I understand of the word of God at this moment, yes, water baptism in Jesus name is for (not because of ) the remission of sins.
Then you believe that one is washed in the water.
That is where you and I disagree. I believe that the repenting and confessing soul is washed in the BLOOD. Jesus will NEVER fail to forgive and forget all who come to him, confessing and believing...He refuses NONE.
For you to tell the world that "YES, he refuses your contrition and confession until you are washed in the water"...minimizes the BLOOD of Jesus, to be WORTHLESS for the contrite sinner, neutralizing their faith in the blood UNTIL he is water washed. This is regretful.
That is where you and I disagree. I believe that the repenting and confessing soul is washed in the BLOOD. Jesus will NEVER fail to forgive and forget all who come to him, confessing and believing...He refuses NONE.
For you to tell the world that "YES, he refuses your contrition and confession until you are washed in the water"...minimizes the BLOOD of Jesus, to be WORTHLESS for the contrite sinner, neutralizing their faith in the blood UNTIL he is water washed. This is regretful.
Just to clarify I believe the water does nothing but provide a medium in which we are figuratively buried. The water of baptism is not holy water neither does it wash away our sins. The blood of Jesus washes away our sins and since sins are washed away when we are baptized Acts 22:16, then why is it unreasonable for me to believe the blood of Jesus Christ is sprinkled/ applied to our hearts/ consciences when we are baptized?
I believe God accepts all who come to him in confession and repentance also. It's God's goodness that leads them to repentance. I'm not saying God REFUSES someones contrition and confession until they are washed in baptism. He accepts anyone who believes in Jesus and turns from sin.
I'm not minimizing the blood of Jesus. I think the scriptures are clear the importance of baptism by the virtue of the evidence that believers were baptized IMMEDIATELY upon confession of their faith, in the middle of the night, right after Paul received his sight, the Ethiopian eunuch was baptized then and there, etc. Baptism is important because of it is for remission/forgiveness of sin and the blood of Jesus does the remitting.
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His banner over me is LOVE.... My soul followeth hard after thee....Love one another with a pure heart fervently. Jesus saith unto her, Said I not unto thee, that, if thou wouldest believe, thou shouldest see the glory of God?
To be a servant of God, it will cost us our total commitment to God, and God alone. His burden must be our burden... Sis Alvear
It appears to me that three stepper Apostolics (and I am oneof them) have become professionals at minimizing the all inclusive power of the blood of Jesus as evidenced in this discussion. Acts, without the Gospel is bloodless.
I could very easily say as well that the Gospel, without Acts, is powerless. It takes the gospel, and our response to the gospel, for one to be born again. It is not enough that Christ died if I do not respond in faith to that "Good News". There may be some out there that have disposed of the work of Christ upon the cross, and just try to give a ritual of Pentecost, but I ain't one of them. If I will be a follower of Christ, I will take up my cross, and crucify myself, be buried with HIM in water baptism, and resurrect with HIM by the quickening of the Holy Ghost.
I could very easily say as well that the Gospel, without Acts, is powerless. It takes the gospel, and our response to the gospel, for one to be born again. It is not enough that Christ died if I do not respond in faith to that "Good News". There may be some out there that have disposed of the work of Christ upon the cross, and just try to give a ritual of Pentecost, but I ain't one of them. If I will be a follower of Christ, I will take up my cross, and crucify myself, be buried with HIM in water baptism, and resurrect with HIM by the quickening of the Holy Ghost.
But your "response" is an effect of the grace of God.
"What shall we say then? Is there unrighteousness with God? God forbid.
For he saith to Moses, I will have mercy on whom I will have mercy, and I will have compassion on whom I will have compassion.
So then it is not of him that willeth, nor of him that runneth, but of God that sheweth mercy."
My soul followeth hard after thee....Love one another with a pure heart fervently. 
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