Prophecies To Be Fulfilled In 2008

[Esther]

Originally Posted by Apprehended

Prediction?

Do we predict Acts 2:38 or the predict any of the Word? No! When a preacher preaches the Word of God, he does not predict it. It is prophesied. Preaching is prophesying.

He took the Word and prophesied....

Yeah, on the cover he did put a little question mark there. Just a subtle way that he can later say, "Oh, I didn't really PROPHESY that, it was only a question."

I do not like incongruant preachers. It is like the bugler who gives an uncertain sound in battle. The troops don't know whether to advance or retreat. It leaves everyone in confusion.

In short...if the dude don't know what he's talking about, it would be better for him to shut up and sit down.

I disagree with a lot of this, but that is what forum life is about.

I don't think he needs to sit down and shut up, he may not be 100% right but I have yet to meet the person that is.

He is at least trying to reach the world and warn them Jesus is coming back soon.

That is important to me!

[Revelationist]

Originally Posted by Dedicated Mind

1. May 11, 2008 is the date for the implementation of the Real ID Act which will number every American citizen and create a national database to manage everyone's number/ID.

2. 2008 is the year for ratification of the EU treaty creating the position of EU President and is the fulfilment of the prophesied Holy Roman Empire.

3. 2008 is the year for a middle east peace treaty between Israel and the Palestinians which is internatinally recognized and will determine the final borders of Israel, the status of Jerusalem and the status of the temple mount.

Rev. Irving Baxter believes that, if this peace treaty is reached, it will be the confirmation of the covenant and mark the beginning of the final seven years to Armageddon and the second return of Christ.

4. 2008 could also be the year of a war emanating from Iraq that kills one third of mankind.


What are your comments concerning the fulfillment of these prophecies?

Baxtor also believed in 1993 that we were seven years from the tribulation.

[pelathais]

Originally Posted by Dedicated Mind

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What are your comments concerning the fulfillment of these prophecies?

"2008 could ..." Those are not "prophecies." Saying something "could" happen is not even a significant statement. Anthing "could" happen at any moment.

1. Baxter, or whoever the source is for the "Real ID Act of 2005" info has a number of things wrong.

"Portions of the Real ID Act pertaining to states were scheduled to take effect on May 11, 2008, three years after the law passed, but the deadline has been extended to December 31, 2009.

On January 25, 2007, a Resolution passed overwhelmingly in the Maine Legislature that refuses implementation of the Real ID Act in that State, and demands Congress repeal the law. ...

On February 16, 2007, Utah unanimously passed a resolution which opposes the REAL ID Act[13]. ...

Arkansas, Colorado, Georgia, Hawaii, Idaho, Illinois, Michigan, Missouri, Montana, Nebraska, Nevada, New Hampshire, North Dakota, Oklahoma, South Carolina, Tennessee, and Washington have joined Maine in passing legislation opposing Real ID.

Similar bills are pending in Alaska, Massachusetts, Oregon, Utah, Arizona, New Mexico, Texas, Louisiana, Minnesota, Wisconsin, Ohio, Kentucky, West Virginia, Pennsylvania, Maryland, New York, Rhode Island, Washington, D.C., Wyoming and Vermont."

That's 38 states and the District of Columbia refusing to participate. And even then, the "Real ID Act" doesn't propose anything like the feared "Mark of the Beast." ... oh but wait, anything "could" happen!

2. "2008 is the year for ratification of the EU treaty creating the position of EU President and is the fulfilment of the prophesied Holy Roman Empire..." What Bible prophecies exist for the "Holy Roman Empire?" The Holy Roman Empire was first founded on Christmas day in the year 800 A.D. Where is this act mentioned in the Bible, and where does the "Holy Roman Empire" even fit into Bible prophecy? How does the development of the EU even resemble the Holy Roman Empire?

The Lisbon Treaty which was signed last summer proposes that an elected individual be chosen as "President" rather than the current system where an entire country's EU respresentatives fill the post. The President will serve a 2 1/2 year term and is almost purely administrative in function. The Holy Roman Empire had nothing like this in its structure.

The EU's proposed 2 and a half year term falls well short of one of Daniel's "Weeks" or half a week. Not even a coincidence appears to be related to these developments.

3. "2008 is the year for a middle east peace treaty between Israel and the Palestinians which is internatinally (sic) recognized and will determine the final borders of Israel, the status of Jerusalem and the status of the temple mount."

This is merely wishful thinking. Who says this is "the year?" Hamas? Hamas' Iranian masters? The rival Fatah movement? These guys aren't even through killing one another, let alone ready to make "peace" with Israel.

4. 2008 could also be the year of a war emanating from Iraq that kills one third of mankind.

A more likely source of such a war would be around the borders of an aggressivley expansionist Red China. But again, 2008 could also be the year that absolutely nothing happens out of the ordinary mundane series of petty wars, plague, famine and terror. 2008 in fact could be the year Rev. Irvin Baxter embraces the "fulfilled eschatology" of Preterism and sits at the feet of Evangelist Benincasa. I mean, anything could happen, right?

[Apprehended]

[QUOTE]

Originally Posted by Ferd

we disagree completly on what preaching is. preaching is preaching prophesing is prophesing these are different things as far as i am concerned.

That is technically correct. But who wants to be technically correct anymore? However, in the loose sene of the term, you probably already know that we refer to preachers as prophets whether they are actually FORETELLING or FORTHTELLING.

He has always stated that he was making "his best guess" I have never heard him one time say that he was certain about a date or a time. Anyone claiming to be certain, is a fool

Best guess?

I have no respect for best guesses.

I hate it when a (prophet) preacher plays fast and loose with the Word of God. That is to say, use the Word of like a loose cannon to scatter the minds of the people only to see the so called PREDICTION fail which he does not put out as a prediction to begin with. I have the old Endtime Mag in my desk drawer because I knew it was a false prophecy (prediction) when he made that dumb statement back then.

He's wrong AGAIN with his latest so called preditions. I just wonder when will the gullable will learn not to listen to these hucksters?

A preacher who had preached at a certain church that I was attending in Houston at the time tell me, just after he finished preaching, "This pope will prove to be the Anti-Christ." I told him,"No, this pope will soon die and then what will you say." He replied, "I'll not step in the pulpit again."

If I am not mistaken, that Pope died. I haven't seen him since.

You know, you hear all kind of STUFF. Most of it is as hollow as an well without water...just an echo of nothing there.

[Ferd]

Apprehended, your lack of respect is duely noted.

[Ron]

I prophesy that there will be differing opinions on AFF this year!


You can hold me to that.

[Apprehended]

Originally Posted by Revelationist

Baxtor also believed in 1993 that we were seven years from the tribulation.

That is right. He told me that personally standing in the book store where he had a table at the Salt Lake City Conference.

He told me that he needed the money to print a million magazines if the expected Jerusalem Covenant was signed the following year.

I told him that he would be wasting a lot of money because it would not be anything like he was telling me. I told him the truth but I felt a little resentment from him.

Too bad....

Looks like he is up to his same old huckster tricks again. Well, its keeping him in busiess, I guess.

[Apprehended]

Originally Posted by Ferd

Apprehended, your lack of respect is duely noted.

Lack of respect?

Ha!

But you are right. I have no respect for a false prophet. Let that be noted far and wide.

[pelathais]

Originally Posted by Esther

I disagree with a lot of this, but that is what forum life is about.

I don't think he needs to sit down and shut up, he may not be 100% right but I have yet to meet the person that is.

He is at least trying to reach the world and warn them Jesus is coming back soon.

That is important to me!

That's generally a good and healthy way to look at things, Esther. However, Baxter and so many others have adopted a rather fierce "My way or the Highway" attitude when it comes to Bible prophecy.

Instead of allowing the field to be filled with many voices, each one charitably expressing their own perspectives, Bible prophecy "experts" among Apostolics will tend to attack any "competition" that appears on the scene. This of course only begs that a critical response be launched as well.

The whole field of eschatology is open and could be the source of a lot of fruitful study. But we tend to limit ourselves with the "the could be the year..." types of grandstanding and other theatrics.

You at least, seem to have a good outlook. Maybe 2008, is your year?

[Michael Phelps]

Originally Posted by Ferd

Was it prophesy or prediction? there is a difference. it has been years since I heard Baxter, but in all cases, he gave "predictions" and best guesses" not "thus sayeth the Lord" prophesy.

Let your yeas be yeas, and your nays be nays.

What's the difference between a "prophecy" and a "prediction" that says "This WILL happen...at this time"?