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[Broken]

A household name in the UPC was invited to come and speak at a Tulsa committee meetinabout missions. They tried to recruit him the whole time he was there. Trying to get him in pics with them (which he refused).


- What was he doing there to start with as I can see it wasn't to promote Jesus thru missions it was more to see and tell- especially going and then repeating this. I am sure their hearts were broken he wouldn't get in pic's with them- I would be surprised if he didn't cash their honorarium or should I say I am sure he cashed the honorarium without hesitation!

Why go?

[Pastor G]

Originally Posted by Broken

A household name in the UPC was invited to come and speak at a Tulsa committee meetinabout missions. They tried to recruit him the whole time he was there. Trying to get him in pics with them (which he refused).


- What was he doing there to start with as I can see it wasn't to promote Jesus thru missions it was more to see and tell- especially going and then repeating this. I am sure their hearts were broken he wouldn't get in pic's with them- I would be surprised if he didn't cash their honorarium or should I say I am sure he cashed the honorarium without hesitation!

Why go?

If someone is missions minded, they will go anywhere to anyone and promote the cause... Perhaps the ones who invited him had an extra agenda that he didn't go along with... This group has been using names without permission, I am sure they would use pictures without permission as well... For this guy to make sure he stayed out of them was a smart move..

Just because a lot of people on here didn't know this information before it was posted here doesn't mean it was a secret... So for someone to repeat it, whomever it was, is not a problem... I know of a lot of people who knew this info lonf before it was posted...

Do you know he got an honorarium?
Do you know this was secret information?

[Broken]

Do I know any of the last "2" questions is absolutely not any of my business however I do say if you are not of them why go? I do know more than u think or imagine that I know.

Missions- that would be a priority in my knowledge so you wouldn't be telling me anything new? I am sorry to say that it is not the fact you go wherever , whenever for missions-you as well as anyone else involved should and do know better than than!

Not being defensive or trying to be cruel just don't appreciate anyone being a part of something and talking out of the corners of one's mouth

[Pastor G]

Originally Posted by Broken

Do I know any of the last "2" questions is absolutely not any of my business however I do say if you are not of them why go? I do know more than u think or imagine that I know.

Missions- that would be a priority in my knowledge so you wouldn't be telling me anything new? I am sorry to say that it is not the fact you go wherever , whenever for missions-you as well as anyone else involved should and do know better than than!

Not being defensive or trying to be cruel just don't appreciate anyone being a part of something and talking out of the corners of one's mouth

The missons minded will go anywhere that believes the same salvational doctrine to promote it.. If someone is hell-bent on leaving I see no problem is going to help them with something that you a passionate about.. AFter all he was obviously invited and had not committed to join..

And I know who this is and happen to know they don't talk out of the corners of their mouth...

[Broken]

never realized these folks were so hell-bent on leaving...

[Steve Epley]

They already have some very strong missions minded men among them thus this seems a little??????????????????????????

I really doubt this thread?????

[Broken]

Originally Posted by Steve Epley

They already have some very strong missions minded men among them thus this seems a little??????????????????????????

I really doubt this thread?????

[rgcraig]

Originally Posted by Steve Epley

They already have some very strong missions minded men among them thus this seems a little??????????????????????????

I really doubt this thread?????

What part do you doubt?

[Sweet Pea]

Originally Posted by Broken

never realized these folks were so hell-bent on leaving...

Not to fond of the adjective used to describe their leaving (my mother taught me that was cussin' ) - however, if they weren't determined to leave, why did they start making plans before Res 4 passed? And I'm pretty well convinced that this was a done deal in their minds long before Res 4 passed - that just gave them an out. (And for the record, I'm not convinced that Res 4 is such a great thing. Time will tell.)

There are many on that list that I deeply respect and admire - some of them, I question why they are leaving and wonder how it will affect their fellowship with some of us who don't leave. To me - that is the saddest thing about all of this. It is tearing up families and friendships that had been able to fellowship in the past - despite some difference of opinion regarding some standards.

[Raven]

Your mother was a wise woman, Sweet Pea! What did you say her initials were again? With all the developments and letters coming to light, I see some real wounds being formed in people I like and respect from both sides of the issue. The solidarity I have known from my childhood is being fractured and will take a miracle from God to restore. Sad! I like them all and see the positive and negatives from both sides. Being in the "middle" isn't comfortable on airplanes nor friends.
Raven