I personally do not care of LW has a homosexual disposition as long as he is repented of it and keeps it under the blood. Is he openly gay? Does anyone know for a fact LW has continuing homosexual relations? How many of us were fornicators and adulterers and if not for walking with the Lord could slip back into that lifestyle?
Prax... this is the problem here.
LW had a very well known and visible ministry.
When he fell into moral failure it was also became widlely known (within Apostolic /UPC circles primarily)
Therefore, if he has indeed repented, it is fair to expect him to at least once make some kind of public admission of wrongdoing and repentance. From all that we know, that has not happened... not in front of any church... not by a statement on his website... nothing.
Until LW publicly acknowledges his sin and the error of his ways, it is natural that Bible-believing saints will be skeptical of his "ministry". New Testament teaching is very clear that unrepentant "saints" should be treated as outcasts by the rest of the body, until they repent of their sinful ways. (Matt 18/ 1Cor 5)
We would hold a minister of the word to that standard. Why shouldn't a prominent "minister" of music be held to a similar standard?
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When he fell into moral failure it was also became widlely known (within Apostolic /UPC circles primarily)
Therefore, if he has indeed repented, it is fair to expect him to at least once make some kind of public admission of wrongdoing and repentance. From all that we know, that has not happened... not in front of any church... not by a statement on his website... nothing.
Until LW publicly acknowledges his sin and the error of his ways, it is natural that Bible-believing saints will be skeptical of his "ministry". New Testament teaching is very clear that unrepentant "saints" should be treated as outcasts by the rest of the body, until they repent of their sinful ways. (Matt 18/ 1Cor 5)
We would hold a minister of the word to that standard. Why shouldn't a prominent "minister" of music be held to a similar standard?
When he fell into moral failure it was also became widlely known (within Apostolic /UPC circles primarily)
Therefore, if he has indeed repented, it is fair to expect him to at least once make some kind of public admission of wrongdoing and repentance. From all that we know, that has not happened... not in front of any church... not by a statement on his website... nothing.
Until LW publicly acknowledges his sin and the error of his ways, it is natural that Bible-believing saints will be skeptical of his "ministry". New Testament teaching is very clear that unrepentant "saints" should be treated as outcasts by the rest of the body, until they repent of their sinful ways. (Matt 18/ 1Cor 5)
We would hold a minister of the word to that standard. Why shouldn't a prominent "minister" of music be held to a similar standard?
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AMEN!
I would certainly expect to have to do that IF I did something wrong., but repented and wanted to come clean.
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When he fell into moral failure it was also became widlely known (within Apostolic /UPC circles primarily)
Therefore, if he has indeed repented, it is fair to expect him to at least once make some kind of public admission of wrongdoing and repentance. From all that we know, that has not happened... not in front of any church... not by a statement on his website... nothing.
Until LW publicly acknowledges his sin and the error of his ways, it is natural that Bible-believing saints will be skeptical of his "ministry". New Testament teaching is very clear that unrepentant "saints" should be treated as outcasts by the rest of the body, until they repent of their sinful ways. (Matt 18/ 1Cor 5)
We would hold a minister of the word to that standard. Why shouldn't a prominent "minister" of music be held to a similar standard?
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If he was basically chased OUT of that Apostolic circles I don't know how he can make a public declaration any UPCer would accept...not only that given the attitudes that we often see in Oneness circles an admission would NOT help LW. Some folks would just feel justified in how they branded him and ostracized him..in fact he'd probably be ostracized even more....we can forgive and heal adulterers, fornicators, porn addicts and drug users but not gays....
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Apostolic is defined on AFF as:
There is One God. This one God reveals Himself distinctly as Father, Son and Holy Ghost.
The Son is God himself in a human form or "God manifested in the flesh" (1Tim 3:16)
Every sinner must repent of their sins.
That Jesus name baptism is the only biblical mode of water baptism.
That the Holy Ghost is for today and is received by faith with the initial evidence of speaking in tongues.
The saint will go on to strive to live a holy life, pleasing to God.
If he was basically chased OUT of that Apostolic circles I don't know how he can make a public declaration any UPCer would accept...not only that given the attitudes that we often see in Oneness circles an admission would NOT help LW. Some folks would just feel justified in how they branded him and ostracized him..in fact he'd probably be ostracized even more....we can forgive and heal adulterers, fornicators, porn addicts and drug users but not gays....
Ok. Suit yourself then.
Your staunch defense of this man is puzzling, in light of all that is known about his situation, both on and off the record, and his deafening silence in the midst of it all.
My old pastor used to say: "God lives next door to common sense". If it looks like a rat, walks like a rat, smells like a rat, sounds like a rat etc... then I'm going to come to the reasonable conclusion that its a rat. I'm not going to think it might be a chihuahua instead.
Methinks you're looking at this with rose-colored glasses.
Have a good day, senor.
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Daniel 12:3 And those who are wise shall shine like the brightness of the firmament; and those who turn many to righteousness, like the stars for ever.
Your staunch defense of this man is puzzling, in light of all that is known about his situation, both on and off the record, and his deafening silence in the midst of it all.
My old pastor used to say: "God lives next door to common sense". If it looks like a rat, walks like a rat, smells like a rat, sounds like a rat etc... then I'm going to come to the reasonable conclusion that its a rat. I'm not going to think it might be a chihuahua instead.
Methinks you're looking at this with rose-colored glasses.
Have a good day, senor.
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Are you nuts? I have not been defending anyone. Good grief. I've been asking about what we "know" about this man. All I see are accusations from others..people that say they know someone that knows first hand blah blah blah and what did I say? I'd like to see him healed...and then you say Im defending him....did you just get finished painting indoors with the windows shut or something?
__________________ Let it be understood that Apostolic Friends Forum is an Apostolic Forum.
Apostolic is defined on AFF as:
There is One God. This one God reveals Himself distinctly as Father, Son and Holy Ghost.
The Son is God himself in a human form or "God manifested in the flesh" (1Tim 3:16)
Every sinner must repent of their sins.
That Jesus name baptism is the only biblical mode of water baptism.
That the Holy Ghost is for today and is received by faith with the initial evidence of speaking in tongues.
The saint will go on to strive to live a holy life, pleasing to God.
Are you nuts? I have not been defending anyone. Good grief. I've been asking about what we "know" about this man. All I see are accusations from others..people that say they know someone that knows first hand blah blah blah and what did I say? I'd like to see him healed...and then you say Im defending him....did you just get finished painting indoors with the windows shut or something?
And I will add that I never once suggested that if he is gay he does not need to repent either. I am not defending anyone.
__________________ Let it be understood that Apostolic Friends Forum is an Apostolic Forum.
Apostolic is defined on AFF as:
There is One God. This one God reveals Himself distinctly as Father, Son and Holy Ghost.
The Son is God himself in a human form or "God manifested in the flesh" (1Tim 3:16)
Every sinner must repent of their sins.
That Jesus name baptism is the only biblical mode of water baptism.
That the Holy Ghost is for today and is received by faith with the initial evidence of speaking in tongues.
The saint will go on to strive to live a holy life, pleasing to God.
And I will add that I never once suggested that if he is gay he does not need to repent either. I am not defending anyone.
Been lurking through the thread and wanted to note I am with you Prax. Sin is sin, flavour is irrelevant, when a saint goofs up, we need to be there preaching restoration loud no matter what they did.
Oh. Gossip is as big a sin as indulging in gay sex.
Been lurking through the thread and wanted to note I am with you Prax. Sin is sin, flavour is irrelevant, when a saint goofs up, we need to be there preaching restoration loud no matter what they did.
Oh. Gossip is as big a sin as indulging in gay sex.
think I'll go hide now
pssst. Over here.
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Been lurking through the thread and wanted to note I am with you Prax. Sin is sin, flavour is irrelevant, when a saint goofs up, we need to be there preaching restoration loud no matter what they did.
Oh. Gossip is as big a sin as indulging in gay sex.
think I'll go hide now
I think some sins are worst than others but they will all put you in hell!
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pssst. Over here.
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