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01-17-2008, 10:14 PM
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Originally Posted by Evang.Benincasa
...If the government made a law against you practicing Christianity what would be your recourse?
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Then I would have to follow the example of Peter and others who said, "We ought to obey God rather than men" Acts 5:29
In my opinion, a Christian is to be a law-abiding citizen and nobody should be able to find anything in him which is contrary to the laws of this country and local laws where he lives. I think this is what is taught in Romans 13:1-7 and 1 Peter 2:9-17. However, if a civil law is in disagreement with God's moral law, God's moral law should be obeyed. We should do this even if there are legal consequences.
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01-17-2008, 11:55 PM
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Then I would have to follow the example of Peter and others who said, "We ought to obey God rather than men" Acts 5:29
In my opinion, a Christian is to be a law-abiding citizen and nobody should be able to find anything in him which is contrary to the laws of this country and local laws where he lives. I think this is what is taught in Romans 13:1-7 and 1 Peter 2:9-17. However, if a civil law is in disagreement with God's moral law, God's moral law should be obeyed. We should do this even if there are legal consequences. |
Then don't you think that can extend to Muslims?
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01-18-2008, 12:05 AM
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Why couldn't she have a plain black unitard made, so the colors don't interfere with school rules? The guy said, "a single-solid color and unadorned, except for a single school name or insignia no more than 2 1/4 inches."
This is really not an issue of religious persecution, because if they were allowing her to wear the body-covering unitard out of respect for her religious beliefs, then she should have returned the favor by making sure it was a solid color in compliance with the rules of the meet.
I don't see anywhere in this article where she was asked to take off her unitard. She was asked to wear one that was plain. Since when do Muslims have a problem wearing plain or black or plain black?
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01-18-2008, 12:18 AM
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Originally Posted by MissBrattified
Why couldn't she have a plain black unitard made, so the colors don't interfere with school rules? The guy said, "a single-solid color and unadorned, except for a single school name or insignia no more than 2 1/4 inches."
This is really not an issue of religious persecution, because if they were allowing her to wear the body-covering unitard out of respect for her religious beliefs, then she should have returned the favor by making sure it was a solid color in compliance with the rules of the meet.
I don't see anywhere in this article where she was asked to take off her unitard. She was asked to wear one that was plain. Since when do Muslims have a problem wearing plain or black or plain black?
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You are totally correct Sister, so my question is, what's the story suppose to incite, or prove?
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01-18-2008, 12:22 AM
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Originally Posted by Evang.Benincasa
You are totally correct Sister, so my question is, what's the story suppose to incite, or prove?
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I think its supposed to incite the idea that she is being treated unfairly because of her religious beliefs, and also, the comment at the end of the article about her having the fastest time effectively leaves the impression that they are getting rid of the fastest runner to make room for the "regular" kids.
At least...that's what I got out of it. 
I also find it difficult to believe that her coach didn't tell her ahead of time that she would have to have a plain unitard. I would be interested to know who dropped the ball, communication-wise. If she was told, then she is solely to blame, and it looks like she is simply defying the rules for the sake of defying them.
If she wasn't informed ahead of time of the requirement, or of a rule change, whether on paper, by her coach or otherwise, then that would point to some unfair treatment. Especially if she was allowed to compete last year in the same unitard, as the article states. I'm just not buying that as the complete story.
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"To see no being, not God’s or any, but you also go thither,
To see no possession but you may possess it—enjoying all without labor or purchase—
abstracting the feast, yet not abstracting one particle of it;…."
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01-18-2008, 12:25 AM
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Originally Posted by Evang.Benincasa
They inject it into the back of your right arm. It does not go into your hand or forehead. If the government made a law against you practicing Christianity what would be your recourse?
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Are you talking about the mark of the beast and relating it to an ID card/license?
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01-18-2008, 12:37 AM
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Originally Posted by MissBrattified
I think its supposed to incite the idea that she is being treated unfairly because of her religious beliefs, and also, the comment at the end of the article about her having the fastest time effectively leaves the impression that they are getting rid of the fastest runner to make room for the "regular" kids.
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That sounds fair.
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Originally Posted by MissBrattified
I also find it difficult to believe that her coach didn't tell her ahead of time that she would have to have a plain unitard. I would be interested to know who dropped the ball, communication-wise. If she was told, then she is solely to blame, and it looks like she is simply defying the rules for the sake of defying them.
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Seems that she didn't know and that it was let go for three years. I found that interesting. Still the problem seems to be about the colors and not about what is being covered.
the news article is trying to make us believe that the argument is aboutt the Islam covering issues, but in reality it is about the multi colors that were chose.
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Originally Posted by MissBrattified
If she wasn't informed ahead of time of the requirement, or of a rule change, whether on paper, by her coach or otherwise, then that would point to some unfair treatment. Especially if she was allowed to compete last year in the same unitard, as the article states. I'm just not buying that as the complete story.
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Unitard being an Islamic issue was not the problem, but it was all about what colors the girl chose. Which has nothing to do with her religious freedom.
thank you Sister.
In Jesus name
Brother Benincasa
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01-18-2008, 12:37 AM
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Are you talking about the mark of the beast and relating it to an ID card/license?
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no
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01-18-2008, 01:22 AM
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Originally Posted by Evang.Benincasa
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I don't think I could inject anything related to that into my body. I just wouldn't feel right....mark or not.
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01-18-2008, 10:14 AM
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I don't think they knew ahead of time. I think it was a new venue they were at.
But meet director Tom Rogers said Kelly's uniform violated rules of the National Federation of State High School Associations, which sanctioned the event. Uniforms are required to be "a single-solid color and unadorned, except for a single school name or insignia no more than 2 1/4 inches," he said.
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