UPC found in Wikipedia under "Schisms & Splits"

[pelathais]

Originally Posted by Apprehended

As I said above. They got their facts wrong...

Okay... what facts in particular? The one quoted about the year 1955 seems to reflect events that I thought had happened in 1947. What else do you see?

[Apprehended]

Originally Posted by pelathais

Okay... what facts in particular? The one quoted about the year 1955 seems to reflect events that I thought had happened in 1947. What else do you see?

I looked up the UPCI and found this on Schisms and Splits and low and behold I found this on Wikipedia:

The UPCI has experienced several splinters since its inception in 1945.

In 1955, a group of ministers led by Bishop C. B. Gillespie (Fairmont, WV), Bishop Ray Cornell (Cleveland, OH), and Bishop Carl Angle (Nashville, TN) rechartered the PAJC using the original charter.[citation needed]

I am not 100% certain on this issue, but I am of the strong impression that some of these men picked up the charter in the late 1940s.

1968 a number of ministers organized the Apostolic Ministerial Fellowship - AMF, lead by Robert Cavaness, Murray Burr and others, citing the UPCI as 'liberal'. Central issues were holiness and local church government. Detractors said that Murray Burr was disgruntled because he was not elected General Superintendent.
In 1986, Pastor L. H. Hardwick, a UPCI pastor in Nashville, Tennessee, and Jack Dehart of Texas broke away from what he called "legalists" (referring to the issue of dress code and standards), and formed Global Christian Ministries (now Global Network of Christian Ministries).[citation needed]

Pastor Hardwick was out of the upci long before Jack Dehart left. Jack Dehart did not leave until after the Affirmation Statement was adopted in 1992. Furthermore, he did not leave over the "holiness" or "legalist" issue. He debated against the resolution on the floor in Salt Lake City. He along with C.L. Dees were two of the strongest voices against the Affirmation Statement.

In 2001, Bishop Teklemarim Gezahagne and the more than 2 million members of the Apostolic Church of Ethiopia broke their 45 year alignment with the UPCI and joined up with the AWCF. The division was over Christology. Interesting accusations since most Pentecostals differ with the UPCI on Christology issues.

45 year alignment? Not hardly. That would have placed a date of fellowship back to 1962. In fact, I don't believe brother Wendel, who later committed suicide, went to Ethiopia until after then.

In January 2008 another split came to the UPC prompted by a 2007 resolution to allow advertising on television. The schism led by Jonny Godair formed the Worldwide Pentecostal Fellowship.


Interesting..........

Can't say it is led by Johnny Godair alone. There seems to be bigger pushers and shakers leading the charge than just him.

[pelathais]

Originally Posted by Apprehended

I am not 100% certain on this issue, but I am of the strong impression that some of these men picked up the charter in the late 1940s.

I believe that you are correct. The following is from the February 1947, Pentecostal Herald:

Originally Posted by Apprehended

Pastor Hardwick was out of the upci long before Jack Dehart left. Jack Dehart did not leave until after the Affirmation Statement was adopted in 1992. Furthermore, he did not leave over the "holiness" or "legalist" issue. He debated against the resolution on the floor in Salt Lake City. He along with C.L. Dees were two of the strongest voices against the Affirmation Statement.

That part puzzled me as well. I'm not familar with when Pastor Hardwick left exactly, though at one time I worked for his predecessor.

Originally Posted by Apprehended

45 year alignment? Not hardly. That would have placed a date of fellowship back to 1962. In fact, I don't believe brother Wendel, who later committed suicide, went to Ethiopia until after then.

Originally Posted by Apprehended

Can't say it is led by Johnny Godair alone. There seems to be bigger pushers and shakers leading the charge than just him.

I agree.

[TRFrance]

Originally Posted by Apprehended

45 year alignment? Not hardly. That would have placed a date of fellowship back to 1962. In fact, I don't believe brother Wendel, who later committed suicide, went to Ethiopia until after then.

Wow. Never heard about this.
This was a UPC minister, I presume, who later committed suicide?
Whats the story behind that? / just curious.

Originally Posted by pelathais

The UPC article on Wikipedia has long been a battle ground of sorts. There was a long drawn out debate over whether or not NBA star David Robinson was a "prominent member of the UPC." Some UPC people said he was, others said he wasn't.

This one is news to me too.
I didn't know David Robinson was even Apostolic.
Was he UPC at one point?

[pelathais]

Originally Posted by TRFrance

This one is news to me too.
I didn't know David Robinson was even Apostolic.
Was he UPC at one point?

No. At one point, I gather, he visited T. D. Jakes' church - long after Jakes had stopped fellowship within the UPC.

It was just a bizarre thing to watch as a small group of "UPCers" quarreled endlessly about why their paragraph on Robinson should stay in the Wikipedia article on the UPC.

[TRFrance]

Originally Posted by pelathais

No. At one point, I gather, he visited T. D. Jakes' church - long after Jakes had stopped fellowship within the UPC.

It was just a bizarre thing to watch as a small group of "UPCers" quarreled endlessly about why their paragraph on Robinson should stay in the Wikipedia article on the UPC.

Thanks for the explanation.

It's absurd to me how so many apostolics seem to want to "claim" certain people as being fellow-apostolics... even if those people themselves aren't claiming to be one of us.