McCain Is the Only Hope of the GOP & America

[ChristopherHall]

Originally Posted by ReformedDave

Since God places the civil leaders as His ministers of justice can't he hold them accountable to His word?

The Law of Moses was God's Covenant to the Hebrews as established through Moses. Can you show me the national covenant God sealed with America?

[ReformedDave]

Originally Posted by ChristopherHall

The Law of Moses was God's Covenant to the Hebrews as established through Moses. Can you show me the national covenant God sealed with America?

I thought Paul was post the OT covenant. The ministers of God he referred to were Roman. Since God puts all rulers in their places He can hold them accountable.

BTW, Under the OT covenant God held pagan countries responsible. He blessed those that followed the God of Israel and cursed others.

[ChristopherHall]

Originally Posted by ReformedDave

I thought Paul was post the OT covenant. The ministers of God he referred to were Roman. Since God puts all rulers in their places He can hold them accountable.

BTW, Under the OT covenant God held pagan countries responsible. He blessed those that followed the God of Israel and cursed others.

What was Daniel's advice to a pagan king? .....

Daniel 4:27
Wherefore, O king, let my counsel be acceptable unto thee, and break off thy sins by righteousness, and thine iniquities by shewing mercy to the poor; if it may be a lengthening of thy tranquillity.

What did God accuse his nation of doing?.....

Ezekiel 16:48-50
48As I live, saith the Lord GOD, Sodom thy sister hath not done, she nor her daughters, as thou hast done, thou and thy daughters.
49Behold, this was the iniquity of thy sister Sodom, pride, fulness of bread, and abundance of idleness was in her and in her daughters, neither did she strengthen the hand of the poor and needy.
50And they were haughty, and committed abomination before me: therefore I took them away as I saw good.

What would Ezekiel say to the system we currently have???

Ezekiel 22:29
The people of the land have used oppression, and exercised robbery, and have vexed the poor and needy: yea, they have oppressed the stranger wrongfully.

What does God's Law command of the nation????!!!!

1. 'Exod 22:22-24 - Ye shall not afflict any widow, or fatherless child. If thou afflict them in any wise, and they cry at all unto me, I will surely hear their cry; And my wrath shall wax hot, and I will kill you with the sword; and your wives shall be widows, and your children fatherless. (KJV)'

2. 'Exod 23:10-11 - And six years thou shalt sow thy land, and shalt gather in the fruits thereof: But the seventh year thou shalt let it rest and lie still; that the poor of thy people may eat: and what they leave the beasts of the field shall eat. In like manner thou shalt deal with thy vineyard, and with thy oliveyard.'

3. 'Lev 19:9-10 - And when ye reap the harvest of your land, thou shalt not wholly reap the corners of thy field, neither shalt thou gather the gleanings of thy harvest. And thou shalt not glean thy vineyard, neither shalt thou gather every grape of thy vineyard; thou shalt leave them for the poor and stranger: I am the LORD your God. (KJV)'

4. 'Deut 14:28-29 - At the end of three years thou shalt bring forth all the tithe of thine increase the same year, and shalt lay it up within thy gates: And the Levite, (because he hath no part nor inheritance with thee,) and the stranger, and the fatherless, and the widow, which are within thy gates, shall come, and shall eat and be satisfied; that the LORD thy God may bless thee in all the work of thine hand which thou doest. (KJV)'

5. 'Deut 15:7-11 - If there be among you a poor man of one of thy brethren within any of thy gates in thy land which the LORD thy God giveth thee, thou shalt not harden thine heart, nor shut thine hand from thy poor brother: But thou shalt open thine hand wide unto him, and shalt surely lend him sufficient for his need, in that which he wanteth. Beware that there be not a thought in thy wicked heart, saying, The seventh year, the year of release, is at hand; and thine eye be evil against thy poor brother, and thou givest him nought; and he cry unto the LORD against thee, and it be sin unto thee. '

6. 'Deut 24:19-22 - When thou cuttest down thine harvest in thy field, and hast forgot a sheaf in the field, thou shalt not go again to fetch it: it shall be for the stranger, for the fatherless, and for the widow: that the LORD thy God may bless thee in all the work of thine hands. When thou beatest thine olive tree, thou shalt not go over the boughs again: it shall be for the stranger, for the fatherless, and for the widow. When thou gatherest the grapes of thy vineyard, thou shalt not glean it afterward: it shall be for the stranger, for the fatherless, and for the widow. And thou shalt remember that thou wast a bondman in the land of Egypt: therefore I command thee to do this thing. (KJV)'

7. 'Deut 26:12 - When thou hast made an end of tithing all the tithes of thine increase the third year, which is the year of tithing, and hast given it unto the Levite, the stranger, the fatherless, and the widow, that they may eat within thy gates, and be filled; (KJV)'

8. 'Lev 23:22 - And when ye reap the harvest of your land, thou shalt not make clean riddance of the corners of thy field when thou reapest, neither shalt thou gather any gleaning of thy harvest: thou shalt leave them unto the poor, and to the stranger: I am the LORD your God. (KJV)'

9. Ps 41:1 - Blessed is he that considereth the poor: the LORD will deliver him in time of trouble. (KJV)

10. 'Lev 25:35 - And if thy brother be waxen poor, and fallen in decay with thee; then thou shalt relieve him: yea, though he be a stranger, or a sojourner; that he may live with thee. (KJV)'

11. Prov 19:17 - He that hath pity upon the poor lendeth unto the LORD; and that which he hath given will he pay him again. (KJV)

12. 'Prov 21:13 - Whoso stoppeth his ears at the cry of the poor, he also shall cry himself, but shall not be heard. (KJV)'

13. Prov 28:3 - A poor man that oppresseth the poor is like a sweeping rain which leaveth no food. (KJV)

14. Prov 28:27 - He that giveth unto the poor shall not lack: but he that hideth his eyes shall have many a curse. (KJV)

You claim to believe in national covenant...BUT YOU IGNORE IT'S PRINCIPLE REGARDING THE POOR. Bro...you're a Social Darwinist!

[ReformedDave]

Originally Posted by ChristopherHall

What was Daniel's advice to a pagan king? .....

Daniel 4:27
Wherefore, O king, let my counsel be acceptable unto thee, and break off thy sins by righteousness, and thine iniquities by shewing mercy to the poor; if it may be a lengthening of thy tranquillity.

What did God accuse his nation of doing?.....

Ezekiel 16:48-50
48As I live, saith the Lord GOD, Sodom thy sister hath not done, she nor her daughters, as thou hast done, thou and thy daughters.
49Behold, this was the iniquity of thy sister Sodom, pride, fulness of bread, and abundance of idleness was in her and in her daughters, neither did she strengthen the hand of the poor and needy.
50And they were haughty, and committed abomination before me: therefore I took them away as I saw good.

What would Ezekiel say to the system we currently have???

Ezekiel 22:29
The people of the land have used oppression, and exercised robbery, and have vexed the poor and needy: yea, they have oppressed the stranger wrongfully.

What does God's Law command of the nation????!!!!

1. 'Exod 22:22-24 - Ye shall not afflict any widow, or fatherless child. If thou afflict them in any wise, and they cry at all unto me, I will surely hear their cry; And my wrath shall wax hot, and I will kill you with the sword; and your wives shall be widows, and your children fatherless. (KJV)'

2. 'Exod 23:10-11 - And six years thou shalt sow thy land, and shalt gather in the fruits thereof: But the seventh year thou shalt let it rest and lie still; that the poor of thy people may eat: and what they leave the beasts of the field shall eat. In like manner thou shalt deal with thy vineyard, and with thy oliveyard.'

3. 'Lev 19:9-10 - And when ye reap the harvest of your land, thou shalt not wholly reap the corners of thy field, neither shalt thou gather the gleanings of thy harvest. And thou shalt not glean thy vineyard, neither shalt thou gather every grape of thy vineyard; thou shalt leave them for the poor and stranger: I am the LORD your God. (KJV)'

4. 'Deut 14:28-29 - At the end of three years thou shalt bring forth all the tithe of thine increase the same year, and shalt lay it up within thy gates: And the Levite, (because he hath no part nor inheritance with thee,) and the stranger, and the fatherless, and the widow, which are within thy gates, shall come, and shall eat and be satisfied; that the LORD thy God may bless thee in all the work of thine hand which thou doest. (KJV)'

5. 'Deut 15:7-11 - If there be among you a poor man of one of thy brethren within any of thy gates in thy land which the LORD thy God giveth thee, thou shalt not harden thine heart, nor shut thine hand from thy poor brother: But thou shalt open thine hand wide unto him, and shalt surely lend him sufficient for his need, in that which he wanteth. Beware that there be not a thought in thy wicked heart, saying, The seventh year, the year of release, is at hand; and thine eye be evil against thy poor brother, and thou givest him nought; and he cry unto the LORD against thee, and it be sin unto thee. '

6. 'Deut 24:19-22 - When thou cuttest down thine harvest in thy field, and hast forgot a sheaf in the field, thou shalt not go again to fetch it: it shall be for the stranger, for the fatherless, and for the widow: that the LORD thy God may bless thee in all the work of thine hands. When thou beatest thine olive tree, thou shalt not go over the boughs again: it shall be for the stranger, for the fatherless, and for the widow. When thou gatherest the grapes of thy vineyard, thou shalt not glean it afterward: it shall be for the stranger, for the fatherless, and for the widow. And thou shalt remember that thou wast a bondman in the land of Egypt: therefore I command thee to do this thing. (KJV)'

7. 'Deut 26:12 - When thou hast made an end of tithing all the tithes of thine increase the third year, which is the year of tithing, and hast given it unto the Levite, the stranger, the fatherless, and the widow, that they may eat within thy gates, and be filled; (KJV)'

8. 'Lev 23:22 - And when ye reap the harvest of your land, thou shalt not make clean riddance of the corners of thy field when thou reapest, neither shalt thou gather any gleaning of thy harvest: thou shalt leave them unto the poor, and to the stranger: I am the LORD your God. (KJV)'

9. Ps 41:1 - Blessed is he that considereth the poor: the LORD will deliver him in time of trouble. (KJV)

10. 'Lev 25:35 - And if thy brother be waxen poor, and fallen in decay with thee; then thou shalt relieve him: yea, though he be a stranger, or a sojourner; that he may live with thee. (KJV)'

11. Prov 19:17 - He that hath pity upon the poor lendeth unto the LORD; and that which he hath given will he pay him again. (KJV)

12. 'Prov 21:13 - Whoso stoppeth his ears at the cry of the poor, he also shall cry himself, but shall not be heard. (KJV)'

13. Prov 28:3 - A poor man that oppresseth the poor is like a sweeping rain which leaveth no food. (KJV)

14. Prov 28:27 - He that giveth unto the poor shall not lack: but he that hideth his eyes shall have many a curse. (KJV)

You claim to believe in national covenant...BUT YOU IGNORE IT'S PRINCIPLE REGARDING THE POOR. Bro...you're a Social Darwinist!

I guess I have to answer your questions but you are so arrogant that you don't have to answer mine........

I agree with ALL these verses in the context in which they are given. Some are for the nation, some for the individual, and some for the church. But you shouldn't believe any of them. They are the Old Covenant.

When have I ignored it's principles? And please try to answer my questions.

[Praxeas]

Originally Posted by ReformedDave

I thought Paul was post the OT covenant. The ministers of God he referred to were Roman. Since God puts all rulers in their places He can hold them accountable.

BTW, Under the OT covenant God held pagan countries responsible. He blessed those that followed the God of Israel and cursed others.

I would like to know why we should expect a civil government to execute someone for being a homosexual...what verse

[ReformedDave]

Originally Posted by Praxeas

I would like to know why we should expect a civil government to execute someone for being a homosexual...what verse

Leviticus 20:13

10 “If a man commits adultery with the wife of [1] his neighbor, both the adulterer and the adulteress shall surely be put to death. 11 If a man lies with his father's wife, he has uncovered his father's nakedness; both of them shall surely be put to death; their blood is upon them. 12 If a man lies with his daughter-in-law, both of them shall surely be put to death; they have committed perversion; their blood is upon them. 13 If a man lies with a male as with a woman, both of them have committed an abomination; they shall surely be put to death; their blood is upon them. 14 If a man takes a woman and her mother also, it is depravity; he and they shall be burned with fire, that there may be no depravity among you. 15 If a man lies with an animal, he shall surely be put to death, and you shall kill the animal. 16 If a woman approaches any animal and lies with it, you shall kill the woman and the animal; they shall surely be put to death; their blood is upon them.

[Michael The Disciple]

I have not read much in this thread so this may have been addressed. Anyway I find it interesting that Ann Coulter and Rush Limbaugh are saying they will not vote rather than vote for him.

Yet when CHRISTIANS throw out the same possibility they are criticized. Hey they say if they stay home they would be electing (whatever Liberal is running)!

But when the shoe is on the other foot will THEY stick with their fellow "Christian Conservatives"?

It is becoming so clear friends. All the Republicans ever wanted from the Christians WAS THEIR VOTE. Our issues such as Abortion and Gay adgenda are nothing to them. They are willing to sit the election out

[Pressing-On]

Originally Posted by Michael The Disciple

I have not read much in this thread so this may have been addressed. Anyway I find it interesting that Ann Coulter and Rush Limbaugh are saying they will not vote rather than vote for him.

Yet when CHRISTIANS throw out the same possibility they are criticized. Hey they say if they stay home they would be electing (whatever Liberal is running)!

But when the shoe is on the other foot will THEY stick with their fellow "Christian Conservatives"?

It is becoming so clear friends. All the Republicans ever wanted from the Christians WAS THEIR VOTE. Our issues such as Abortion and Gay adgenda are nothing to them. They are willing to sit the election out

Well, I think they are both ridiculous! Ann and Rush!

[DividedThigh]

Originally Posted by Pressing-On

Well, I think they are both ridiculous! Ann and Rush!

i usually like them but i think that is ridiculous also, dt