WPF in talks with Philippines UPC

Originally Posted by NW Pastor

SB started nothing. He built upon the foundation that was already laid in Bohol. Nothing wrong with that, but his work was all done under the auspices of the UPCI.

My understanding is that he was independently working with these men while in the UPC. No one told me this. It was just what I thought.

If he was working with them from his own resources, I don't see a problem with him continuing.

Originally Posted by R.D. Foster

My understanding is that he was independently working with these men while in the UPC. No one told me this. It was just what I thought.

If he was working with them from his own resources, I don't see a problem with him continuing.

Yes there could be a problem as sooner or later, the people from Bohol will discern that what he represents now is something that is different from before. They still do have District Presbyters and Sectional Presbyters in there. And you'll be amazed as to how strong the clan ties and family ties are in here...

Originally Posted by blueaugust

Yes there could be a problem as sooner or later, the people from Bohol will discern that what he represents now is something that is different from before. They still do have District Presbyters and Sectional Presbyters in there. And you'll be amazed as to how strong the clan ties and family ties are in here...

What has SB's involvement been to this point?

Originally Posted by R.D. Foster

What has SB's involvement been to this point?

I am just assuming that SB's group is going for the UPC churches in Bohol as the flow of discussion in this thread has lead me to assume...

[NW Pastor]

Originally Posted by R.D. Foster

What has SB's involvement been to this point?

During and subsequent to the Dream Team 2001 crusades, he has been dynamic crusade leader and advocate for revival, primarily on the island of Bohol. He has gone back several times, I understand.

Originally Posted by R.D. Foster

What has SB's involvement been to this point?

On Steve Buxton’s first trip to Bohol, (the island where he has been ministering in the Philippines) he was introduced to the island’s UPC pastors. He preached in several of the island’s UPC churches and met many of the island’s UPC saints. He made many trips back to Bohol and did a lot of good.
The problem was he began to tell people that he went to Bohol and was the pioneer of the work. It seems that his memory failed him because he later forgot that the UPC had long ago established churches there.
He told people, and even was quoted in publications, that he went to Bohol and founded the work from nothing. This is absolutely false. While he was a blessing to an established church, he played the role of evangelist and encourager, but definitely not a pioneer. In other words, he is claiming the work as his, and it is quite frankly not.
If this is the best the WPF Foreign Missions Department can do, they don’t have a Foreign Missions Department at all. I wish them well because there are billions of souls who need to hear the gospel.
The danger for the WPF is that the individual members will undo the great good they have done through the years now as they promote the “preferred apostolic alternative”. No one is afraid that the WPF will be successful in carving out a chunk of the UPC Philippines; the concern is that they will cause confusion.
We don’t need anything to distract us from winning lost souls.

[NW Pastor]

Originally Posted by MissionsJD

On Steve Buxton’s first trip to Bohol, (the island where he has been ministering in the Philippines) he was introduced to the island’s UPC pastors. He preached in several of the island’s UPC churches and met many of the island’s UPC saints. He made many trips back to Bohol and did a lot of good.
The problem was he began to tell people that he went to Bohol and was the pioneer of the work. It seems that his memory failed him because he later forgot that the UPC had long ago established churches there.
He told people, and even was quoted in publications, that he went to Bohol and founded the work from nothing. This is absolutely false. While he was a blessing to an established church, he played the role of evangelist and encourager, but definitely not a pioneer. In other words, he is claiming the work as his, and it is quite frankly not.
If this is the best the WPF Foreign Missions Department can do, they don’t have a Foreign Missions Department at all. I wish them well because there are billions of souls who need to hear the gospel.
The danger for the WPF is that the individual members will undo the great good they have done through the years now as they promote the “preferred apostolic alternative”. No one is afraid that the WPF will be successful in carving out a chunk of the UPC Philippines; the concern is that they will cause confusion.
We don’t need anything to distract us from winning lost souls.

Excellent post, and true.

[revrandy]

Originally Posted by MissionsJD

On Steve Buxton’s first trip to Bohol, (the island where he has been ministering in the Philippines) he was introduced to the island’s UPC pastors. He preached in several of the island’s UPC churches and met many of the island’s UPC saints. He made many trips back to Bohol and did a lot of good.
The problem was he began to tell people that he went to Bohol and was the pioneer of the work. It seems that his memory failed him because he later forgot that the UPC had long ago established churches there.
He told people, and even was quoted in publications, that he went to Bohol and founded the work from nothing. This is absolutely false. While he was a blessing to an established church, he played the role of evangelist and encourager, but definitely not a pioneer. In other words, he is claiming the work as his, and it is quite frankly not.
If this is the best the WPF Foreign Missions Department can do, they don’t have a Foreign Missions Department at all. I wish them well because there are billions of souls who need to hear the gospel.
The danger for the WPF is that the individual members will undo the great good they have done through the years now as they promote the “preferred apostolic alternative”. No one is afraid that the WPF will be successful in carving out a chunk of the UPC Philippines; the concern is that they will cause confusion.
We don’t need anything to distract us from winning lost souls.

I believe he his hand called on this by a Veteran Missionary....but nothing was done.... from what I've heard...