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Old 02-06-2008, 03:26 PM
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Re: CeCe Winans under fire for singing at Gay chur

Cece Winans is a woman of integrity and 100% against homosexuality. She stated that she would like for us to do a tour together. I would be proud to travel with her, she loves God and stands up for him in secular settings.
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Old 02-06-2008, 03:34 PM
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Cece Winans is a woman of integrity and 100% against homosexuality. She stated that she would like for us to do a tour together. I would be proud to travel with her, she loves God and stands up for him in secular settings.

Then ask her why she is singing at a church that affirms this lifestyle.
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Then ask her why she is singing at a church that affirms this lifestyle
You know, this is just a dumb question if you think about it.

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You know, this is just a dumb question if you think about it.

How do you reach the lost?
I know these people are lost.. but they don't think they are. And they aren't just your average sinner either. They call darkness light... it's a dangerous place.
There are thousands upon thousands of "Christians" who don't believe God would put anyone in hell.. and many more who don't think God would put someone in hell because of their feelings. Oprah sings this from the mountain tops...

This is a dangerous place for CeCe to walk.
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I know these people are lost.. but they don't think they are. And they aren't just your average sinner either. They call darkness light... it's a dangerous place.
There are thousands upon thousands of "Christians" who don't believe God would put anyone in hell.. and many more who don't think God would put someone in hell because of their feelings. Oprah sings this from the mountain tops...

This is a dangerous place for CeCe to walk.
Would you agree that it would be worth CeCe to walk in a dangerous place if one could be saved from damnation? There is no way that you or I could know why this door has been opened for her to go and sing. How could we make such a judgement call of the leading of the Lord?
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Would you agree that it would be worth CeCe to walk in a dangerous place if one could be saved from damnation?
Indeed... I hope this happens. I won't say it can't but the liklihood is slim. These are not just any sinners. These are people who preach God accepts the sin... that it is not a sin at all.

We are living in a world where some sin has been widely accepted.. and because of this there are those of Christian "faith" who have been conditioned to believe the same as the world. We're all afraid of being called biggots or labled intolerant for our stance. We're bombarded daily by these thoughts...
How can love be wrong?

If this were a church who believed you can be a Christian and murder, or lie, we wouldn't be having this conversation. We'd all be on the same page.
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Indeed... I hope this happens. I won't say it can't but the liklihood is slim. These are not just any sinners. These are people who preach God accepts the sin... that it is not a sin at all.

We are living in a world where some sin has been widely accepted.. and because of this there are those of Christian "faith" who have been conditioned to believe the same as the world. We're all afraid of being called biggots or labled intolerant for our stance. We're bombarded daily by these thoughts...
How can love be wrong?

If this were a church who believed you can be a Christian and murder, or lie, we wouldn't be having this conversation. We'd all be on the same page.

First let me mention that I have appreciated your sincerity on this thread. I would agree that our society has been too leniant on sin, which only robbed people from experiencing true freedom in Christ Jesus. With that said, I don't feel like we should be apprehensive with evangelizing the gay/lesbian community by showing them the love of Christ. A person would not be considered a bigot or labled intolerant if they approached the sinner with love and wisdom. What examples of grace could the homosexual be afforded when they have been shown disgust, hatred and fear?

The reason why there haven't been more homosexuals saved and delivered in our churches was because people have been unable or unwilling to rise above their own prejudices against them. We have countless examples of drunkards, drug addicts, thieves, prostitutes and so on that were delivered and restored because those sins didn't have the stigma associated with homosexuality.
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Indeed... I hope this happens. I won't say it can't but the liklihood is slim. These are not just any sinners. These are people who preach God accepts the sin... that it is not a sin at all.

We are living in a world where some sin has been widely accepted.. and because of this there are those of Christian "faith" who have been conditioned to believe the same as the world. We're all afraid of being called biggots or labled intolerant for our stance. We're bombarded daily by these thoughts...
How can love be wrong?

If this were a church who believed you can be a Christian and murder, or lie, we wouldn't be having this conversation. We'd all be on the same page.
All sinners think their sin is acceptable to God.

We have plenty of "conservative" Apostolic churches that advocate murder and lie and we have been socially conditioned to accept it. For example, most conservative churches radically support the death penalty because they see it in the OT. They also support Christians being actively involved in combative military actions. Yet in America up to 11% of those executed have been later found to have been innocent of the crimes charged, had received insufficient legal counsel, or a fair and legal trial. If just one innocent person is executed the system has innocent blood on it's hands.

In just the Iraq War an estimated 80,000 non-combatant civilians have been killed as collateral damage or in the cross-fire between coalition troops and insurgents. Not to mention the war's justification is questionable. We don't question these things as Christians. Our churches don't have the courage to stand up to the "conservative political correctness" and command a purely "Christian Ethos". Early Pentecostal pioneers united and began licensing to qualify for consciencious objector status. They also openly spoke out against war. It was said by one early 20th century Christian leader that Christians shouldn't sacrifice their children on the altar of the modern Moloch of patriotism...because we are not of this world, the last thing we should be are pawns in it's wars.

Also most Christians oppose any efforts to make sure that all Americans have the health insurance they need to survive. Thousands of Americans die each year because they just don't have medical insurance. Christians attack, denigrate, denounce, mock, and rebuke anyone who would advocate finding a way to cover all Americans.

In short...most conservative churches in America only believe in the sanctity of life in relation to one issue...abortion. The unborn are defended...the innocent sentenced to death is accepted, the high cost of life found in the wake of war is accepted, the loss of life from treatable sickness and disease is accepted. What stings the conscience of so many is that the church would have defended all these people and sought to protect their lives before they were born...but once born the church shifts into situational ethics accepting their deaths in so many other circumstances.

Oh well. My point is that though the perspective isn't popular, many of our churches do allow murder. Then they pull out their Bibles and excuse themselves.

It's all the same as the gay church in question. But for the record I certainly wouldn't have attended the gay church.
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Would you agree that it would be worth CeCe to walk in a dangerous place if one could be saved from damnation? There is no way that you or I could know why this door has been opened for her to go and sing. How could we make such a judgement call of the leading of the Lord?
You talk about "the leading of the Lord"?
Good grief... Don't all purveyors of false doctrine tell you they feel "the Lord has led them" into whatever false doctrine they now advocate?

CeCe Winans is seriously in error here.
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Would you agree that it would be worth CeCe to walk in a dangerous place if one could be saved from damnation? There is no way that you or I could know why this door has been opened for her to go and sing. How could we make such a judgement call of the leading of the Lord?
This is not judgement. It's spiritual discernment. It's BIBLE. These churches have been inviting other big names and getting them and rather than the gays being healed of that sin and repenting those churches are filling with more gays who are told they can have sex with someone of the same sex and God is fine with it.

Darkness is creeping in in these last days and it really is shocking to see so many Christians blind to it
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