Why does it seem that men are obsessed here.......

[tbpew]

miss bratti,
I can certainly embrace and agree with the thoughtfulness and pragmatism represented in your post#93.

A perspective that you may not share (and I am ready to agree to disagree):

1.I believe that a majority of the apostolic pastors view themselves in a role of 'the local church father'.
2. If they are, they have children
3. Those children already have fathers.
4. Those children now have two influential roles that they are likely being instructed to obey.
5. A double-mindedness is given occassion
6. double-mindedness establishes instability.

the same sequence of thought can be applied for the church husband and his wives.

[tbpew]

miss bratti,
in the church I attend do I have the role of wife and mother within the calling and election of the senior/founding pastor that has the rule?

[MissBrattified]

Originally Posted by tbpew

miss bratti,
in the church I attend do I have the role of wife and mother within the calling and election of the senior/founding pastor that has the rule?

No. But that doesn't mean you can't nurture and influence the children in your church. It's an interesting issue.

[Pressing-On]

Originally Posted by tbpew

miss bratti,
I can certainly embrace and agree with the thoughtfulness and pragmatism represented in your post#93.

A perspective that you may not share (and I am ready to agree to disagree):

1.I believe that a majority of the apostolic pastors view themselves in a role of 'the local church father'.
2. If they are, they have children
3. Those children already have fathers.
4. Those children now have two influential roles that they are likely being instructed to obey.
5. A double-mindedness is given occassion
6. double-mindedness establishes instability.

the same sequence of thought can be applied for the church husband and his wives.

I totally agree with you here. Thanks for articulating it so well!

[MissBrattified]

Originally Posted by tbpew

miss bratti,
I can certainly embrace and agree with the thoughtfulness and pragmatism represented in your last post.

A perspective that you may not share (and I am ready to agree to disagree):

1.I believe that a majority of the apostolic pastors view themselves in a role of 'the local church father'.
2. If they are, they have children
3. Those children already have fathers.
4. Those children now have two influential roles that they are likely being instructed to obey.
5. A double-mindedness is given occassion
6. double-mindedness establishes instability.

the same sequence of thought can be applied for the church husband and his wives.

Hmm.. I'm sitting here chewing on my lip, and I don't know if I agree with you or not. I can see how they can be looked up to like a father, but I don't know that they intentionally set it up that way.

To look at it simplistically, one of the things that we teach our children is to obey their elders, so if their pastor tells them to do something, and they obey, essentially they are obeying their parents by obeying their pastor.

They do know that we have the final say, and they're smart enough to know if something conflicts with what we would say they'll tell us or ask us first.

Where I can agree with you is that some folks place pastoral leadership above family authority, and when a conflict arises, they default to the pastor, often without truly examining the issue. Perhaps in situations like this, the husband will feel left out in the cold, even if his views have validity and ought to carry weight.

I'm not done, but I have errands to run and dinner to cook, so I'll be back later!