------The Parousia of Jesus Christ----------

[Rev]

Originally Posted by mfblume

Do you mean to say that IMPLIES the DEAD are involved? Are you basing your doctrine on an assumed IMPLICATION?

"REAPED" does not necessarily refer to the dead, brother. Why did you imply the DEAD are involved? You have to insert that thought, since the bible is not saying it.

Gathering people in protection, which Christ said he was willing to do with Jerusalem, but she would not, is not the same as raising the dead for white throne judgment.

You asked me for scripture to prove my point, so I now ask you to prove that REAPING refers to resurrecting the dead in all cases.

I have given you four sets of scriptures where all agree as to what is happening. It should be very clear from them as to the events of those scriptures.

I could give maybe another 20 sets that would also agree. But if you cannot see the truth in those four sets you would not see the truth in another twenty.

(Isa 29:14) Therefore, behold, I will proceed to do a marvellous work among this people, even a marvellous work and a wonder: for the wisdom of their wise men shall perish, and the understanding of their prudent men shall be hid.

[mfblume]

Originally Posted by Rev

I have given you four sets of scriptures where all agree as to what is happening. It should be very clear from them as to the events of those scriptures.

You claim they agree, but that is only your claim. Sorry, I need more than your claims. And more than WHITE being in all three references.

You could nto answer my questions and could nto prove your point with scripture. All you say is....

I could give maybe another 20 sets that would also agree. But if you cannot see the truth in those four sets you would not see the truth in another twenty.

Nice try.

I see you could not prove your point with scripture. I gave scripture as you requested.

Oh, the golden rule. Where are you?

[Rev]

Originally Posted by mfblume

You claim they agree, but that is only your claim. Sorry, I need more than your claims. And more than WHITE being in all three references.

You could nto answer my questions and could nto prove your point with scripture. All you say is....



Nice try.

I see you could not prove your point with scripture. I gave scripture as you requested.

Oh, the golden rule. Where are you?

My thread! I asked the questions! You are the one that could not refute my posts!

Try again!

[mfblume]

Originally Posted by Rev

My thread! I asked the questions! You are the one that could not refute my posts!

Try again!

Nice try.

I answered you and you refuse to answer me. Typical.

[Rev]

Originally Posted by mfblume

Nice try.

I answered you and you refuse to answer me. Typical.

Wrong again.

Any honest hearted person would agree that all four sets of scriptures are of the same event.

Just because they refute your doctrine does not make the word of God wrong. So that just leaves us with one alternative.

Your doctrine is wrong!

[Rev]

Originally Posted by Rev

Wrong again.

Any honest hearted person would agree that all four sets of scriptures are of the same event.

Just because they refute your doctrine does not make the word of God wrong. So that just leaves us with one alternative.

Your doctrine is wrong!

(Rev 20:11) And I saw a great white throne, and him that sat on it, from whose face the earth and the heaven fled away; and there was found no place for them.
(Rev 20:12) And I saw the dead, small and great, stand before God; and the books were opened: and another book was opened, which is the book of life: and the dead were judged out of those things which were written in the books, according to their works.

(Mat 25:31) When the Son of man shall come in his glory, and all the holy angels with him, then shall he sit upon the throne of his glory:
(Mat 25:32) And before him shall be gathered all nations: and he shall separate them one from another, as a shepherd divideth his sheep from the goats:
(Mat 25:33) And he shall set the sheep on his right hand, but the goats on the left.
(Mat 25:34) Then shall the King say unto them on his right hand, Come, ye blessed of my Father, inherit the kingdom prepared for you from the foundation of the world:


What is he doing in both sets of scriptures? Judging! Same event! 2nd Coming of Jesus Christ!

[Rev]

Originally Posted by Rev

(Rev 20:11) And I saw a great white throne, and him that sat on it, from whose face the earth and the heaven fled away; and there was found no place for them.
(Rev 20:12) And I saw the dead, small and great, stand before God; and the books were opened: and another book was opened, which is the book of life: and the dead were judged out of those things which were written in the books, according to their works.

(Mat 25:31) When the Son of man shall come in his glory, and all the holy angels with him, then shall he sit upon the throne of his glory:
(Mat 25:32) And before him shall be gathered all nations: and he shall separate them one from another, as a shepherd divideth his sheep from the goats:
(Mat 25:33) And he shall set the sheep on his right hand, but the goats on the left.
(Mat 25:34) Then shall the King say unto them on his right hand, Come, ye blessed of my Father, inherit the kingdom prepared for you from the foundation of the world:


What is he doing in both sets of scriptures? Judging! Same event! 2nd Coming of Jesus Christ!

Let me see here. According to your doctrine....

The white throne of judgment is different from the throne of glory.

Let's name a few thrones!

The white throne (Rev 20:11)
The throne of Glory (Mat 25:31)
The throne of David (Isa 9:7) on which he rules forever
The throne of God (Rev 3:21)
Heaven as his throne (Isa 66:1)

I'm sure he stays worn out from changing thrones all the time!

[mfblume]

Originally Posted by Rev

(Rev 20:11) And I saw a great white throne, and him that sat on it, from whose face the earth and the heaven fled away; and there was found no place for them.
(Rev 20:12) And I saw the dead, small and great, stand before God; and the books were opened: and another book was opened, which is the book of life: and the dead were judged out of those things which were written in the books, according to their works.

(Mat 25:31) When the Son of man shall come in his glory, and all the holy angels with him, then shall he sit upon the throne of his glory:
(Mat 25:32) And before him shall be gathered all nations: and he shall separate them one from another, as a shepherd divideth his sheep from the goats:
(Mat 25:33) And he shall set the sheep on his right hand, but the goats on the left.
(Mat 25:34) Then shall the King say unto them on his right hand, Come, ye blessed of my Father, inherit the kingdom prepared for you from the foundation of the world:


What is he doing in both sets of scriptures? Judging! Same event! 2nd Coming of Jesus Christ!

Finally some scriptural reasoning! Thanks.

Why would anyone say the commonality if JUDGMENT makes the white throne judgment the same event as Matthew 25? Where are the dead said to be judged in Matt 25, Rev 14 and Rev 19? That is the all-important issue.

[mfblume]

Originally Posted by Rev

Wrong again.

Any honest hearted person would agree that all four sets of scriptures are of the same event.

Just because they refute your doctrine does not make the word of God wrong. So that just leaves us with one alternative.

Your doctrine is wrong!

More claims with no evidence? I never even heard of anyone saying the THREE sets of scriptures you provided in rev 14, 19 and 20 were of the same event, let alone considered it. So you cannot speak of "any honest hearted person". I did not stop proposing futurism in favour of partial preterism because I wanted to. And neither do I reject full preterism in favour of partial preterism because I wanted to. how can you make such wild accusations of any dishonesty on my part?

Just explain scripture, Rev. Please stop judging intentions that only God knows perfectly well.

[Rev]

Originally Posted by mfblume

More claims with no evidence? I never even heard of anyone saying the THREE sets of scriptures you provided in rev 14, 19 and 20 were of the same event, let alone considered it. So you cannot speak of "any honest hearted person". I did not stop proposing futurism in favour of partial preterism because I wanted to. And neither do I reject full preterism in favour of partial preterism because I wanted to. how can you make such wild accusations of any dishonesty on my part?

Just explain scripture, Rev. Please stop judging intentions that only God knows perfectly well.

At least you are consistant in being wrong! Here is the 3rd post on this thread by Lost & Found....

A simple answer is: “YES!”

Look at this:

Acts 1:9-11
9 And when he had spoken these things, while they beheld, he was taken up; and a cloud received him out of their sight.
10 And while they looked stedfastly toward heaven as he went up, behold, two men stood by them in white apparel;
11 Which also said, Ye men of Galilee, why stand ye gazing up into heaven? this same Jesus, which is taken up from you into heaven, shall so come in like manner as ye have seen him go into heaven.

Here Jesus is said to be coming in “like manner” as they saw Him go. They did not see a horse or throne at Jesus’ ascension. That makes this passage problematic if each of these occurrences were to ‘literally’ take place at Jesus’ Parousia. Since God’s Word is always in agreement one with another, we need to look to see how these do agree. The first step in this is to ask whether the issue in Acts 1 is the ‘cloud’ or is it the way in which Jesus departed? If it is the ‘cloud,’ then the ‘horse’ and ‘throne’ conflict; but if it’s about the way Jesus ascended, then we find agreement. This conformity comes when one sees the ‘cloud,’ ‘horse,’ and ‘throne’ are not speaking of literal instances, but are instead referring to biblical imagery. This is the same hermeneutic used elsewhere when interpreting the meaning of the prophetic language of the Bible.

So your answer is; each of these is in agreement with what would occur during Jesus’ coming. The ‘cloud’ is glory; the ‘horse’ is war; the ‘throne’ is authority. To see this simply look up how the Bible already uses these images in prophetic language. The Bible always interprets itself if a person is willing to study it through.