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[MissBrattified]

Hmmm...in my experience, the music team or worship team is often the most spiritual group in the church. They are expected to pray, fast, worship and provide anointed ministry when no one else does!

I do think there was one interesting point in the blog...that musicians have a talent that allows them to connect with the spiritual without pursuing the Almighty--(something like that)--Okay, I don't agree. We are emotional creatures, and our talent helps us get into touch with our EMOTIONS (and others' emotions), but we can't get into touch with God without actually pursuing Him. Everyone's on equal footing when it comes to getting close to Him.

Spirituality is sometimes confused with emotionalism. There's nothing wrong with emotions, and expressing them, and having an emotional response to the Spirit of God, BUT sometimes we just have an emotional response to music and that is seen as being "spiritual." Well, I've cried when watching movies so does that mean I'm in touch with the Spirit? Of course not.

What am I trying to say? Oh yeah. Carnal musicians can still get in touch with their emotions and pull on our heartstrings, but that doesn't mean their "talent" gives them a short track to God's presence.

Hey, and for some honesty: Have I ever faked it? Yep. I've gotten up on Sunday mornings when I was having a terrible day, fussed at the kids while we were getting ready, argued with Jeff on the way to church, went overtime in practice and missed the prayer room and then got up sang my heart out--and God still blessed it. So there's another point in there--sometimes people who are up front have to go about their ministry even when they don't feel like it or don't feel particularly spiritual--or when they aren't particularly spiritual. That isn't about being carnal--it's just about life, and doing their jobs in spite of it. That isn't a "music devil." It's L-I-F-E.

[Elizabeth]

Originally Posted by MissBrattified

That isn't a "music devil." It's L-I-F-E.

I think your last line sums it up pretty well.

[rkentsmith]

God bless all you fine people....

Sorry to have stirred up some.....

Please note the last two lines in the piece....

Blessings

[Monkeyman]

Originally Posted by rkentsmith

God bless all you fine people....

Sorry to have stirred up some.....

Please note the last two lines in the piece....

Blessings

The last 2 lines read if that made me mad, I probably have a devil in me...thanks RK, thanks. And then you "bless" me...

[MissBrattified]

Originally Posted by rkentsmith

God bless all you fine people....

Sorry to have stirred up some.....

Please note the last two lines in the piece....

Blessings

You mean this part?

"If this makes you mad.....

I bet you do you have inside of you one of them.....

Music Devils....."




I disagree. That would be like you insinuating that many nurses have "medicine devils" and then saying "if it makes you mad you probably have one."

That is a manipulative technique which tries to control a person's response, by telling them what their response means before they are allowed to express it, in such a way that they will suppress a natural and reasonable response because you have connected it to a certain definition. Close, but no cigar.

Has anyone ever said something to you like, "IF you love me, you will ________."? Effectively, if you then choose not to do whatever it is they ask, you are proving by their prestated definition that you do not love them (even if that isn't true.) So then you will feel obligated to do whatever it is they have suggested in order to prove that you DO, after all, love them.

So you saying "If you get mad, maybe you have a music devil" doesn't really mean much, except that you are manipulating the response to your own writing in such a way as to prevent objection or argument without causing the objector to look bad.

Pretty crafty.

[Kutless]

Originally Posted by MissBrattified

You mean this part?

"If this makes you mad.....

I bet you do you have inside of you one of them.....

Music Devils....."




I disagree. That would be like you insinuating that many nurses have "medicine devils" and then saying "if it makes you mad you probably have one."

That is a manipulative technique which tries to control a person's response, by telling them what their response means before they are allowed to express it, in such a way that they will suppress a natural and reasonable response because you have connected it to a certain definition. Close, but no cigar.

Has anyone ever said something to you like, "IF you love me, you will ________."? Effectively, if you then choose not to do whatever it is they ask, you are proving by their prestated definition that you do not love them (even if that isn't true.) So then you will feel obligated to do whatever it is they have suggested in order to prove that you DO, after all, love them.

So you saying "If you get mad, maybe you have a music devil" doesn't really mean much, except that you are manipulating the response to your own writing in such a way as to prevent objection or argument without causing the objector to look bad.

Pretty crafty.

Sis Bratt...you have some pretty amazing posts....

[TRFrance]

Originally Posted by rkentsmith

God bless all you fine people....

Sorry to have stirred up some.....

Please note the last two lines in the piece....

Blessings

RKent...

In case you haven't noticed... you're kinda digging the hole deeper.

Maybe its better to quit now, instead of pouring more gas on the fire.

Peace.