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Old 02-22-2008, 06:48 AM
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OK....

Pastor has nice church and congregation....

Pastor finally has some "good music"...

Enter the music devil attitude...

Pastor doesn't want to sit the person down since it would hamper the good worship to go back to the tamberine and spoons....

Music Devil flaunts...

Pastor is held hostage...

The whole church is held hostage....

No matter what pastor does to pacify the music devil things escalate....

Finally the blow up takes place....

Music Devil takes his person and goes down the road....

The first service without the music devil attitude peace and sweetness returns to sanctuary...

Pastor kicks himself for allowing himself to be held hostage.....
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OK....

Pastor has nice church and congregation....

Pastor finally has some "good music"...

Enter the music devil attitude...

Pastor doesn't want to sit the person down since it would hamper the good worship to go back to the tamberine and spoons....

Music Devil flaunts...

Pastor is held hostage...

The whole church is held hostage....

No matter what pastor does to pacify the music devil things escalate....

Finally the blow up takes place....

Music Devil takes his person and goes down the road....

The first service without the music devil attitude peace and sweetness returns to sanctuary...

Pastor kicks himself for allowing himself to be held hostage.....
Here is the flaw in your logic...this doesn't need to reach the pastor stage. A good music director will recognize the problem and take care of the situation before it effects the church. I don't care if all your left with is a song leader and some dude on a juice harp, if they are prayed up and anointed, that is all that is needed. Seriously.
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Here is the flaw in your logic...this doesn't need to reach the pastor stage. A good music director will recognize the problem and take care of the situation before it effects the church. I don't care if all your left with is a song leader and some dude on a juice harp, if they are prayed up and anointed, that is all that is needed. Seriously.
Nice naive logic monkeyman....

I have spoken with hundreds of pastors who have dealt with the same issue...

So many times it is the music leader that is struggling.....

In a perfect world all music directors are prayed up and keep the dept prayed up.....

IMHO....

The world ain't perfect
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Nice naive logic monkeyman....

I have spoken with hundreds of pastors who have dealt with the same issue...

So many times it is the music leader that is struggling.....

In a perfect world all music directors are prayed up and keep the dept prayed up.....

IMHO....

The world ain't perfect
Naive logic?

This is one amazing thread.

I know this much.

Lord... I truly pray that you protect giving and selfless hearts from falling under any leadership that is so convinced of the hearts & souls of those who would give their praise unto your name.
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Old 02-22-2008, 07:02 AM
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It would appear that, in your opinion, the world is full of a bunch of evil, self serving people (musicians especially of course) and it is up to them to prove to you otherwise if they want be seen as anything more.

No in my world....

Life is good and the music folks have learned to.....

Possess their vessels with sanctification and honor.....
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No in my world....

Life is good and the music folks have learned to.....

Possess their vessels with sanctification and honor.....
As in my world as well.

And that came naturally because it was who they were as a person.
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No in my world....

Life is good and the music folks have learned to.....

Possess their vessels with sanctification and honor.....
Your world...there you have it. Please don't call me naive, I have been involved with music ministry for over 24 years. I guess I have been blessed to not come across what you and your hundreds of preacher friends have experienced, I have seen differently and no one was held hostage. Yes, I have seen problems, they were dealt with just as the preachers, secretarys, janitors, bookkeepers, you know, HUMANS!
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Naive logic?

This is one amazing thread.

I know this much.

Lord... I truly pray that you protect giving and selfless hearts from falling under any leadership that is so convinced of the hearts & souls of those who would give their praise unto your name.

Sorry to have stirred you up....

Have you read Steve Shuberts struggle with himself I have posted?
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Sorry to have stirred you up....
*sigh*

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Have you read Steve Shuberts struggle with himself I have posted?
I did. It was pretty disturbing. But not for the reasons he intended it to be.
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I did. It was pretty disturbing. But not for the reasons he intended it to be.
I read it as well and agree with you completely.

If this article speaks of a "music devil" then it would be speaking of the issue of how our churches are sometimes so keyed to the juke and the jive that music can move us when there is nothing there.

A pastor once preached a sermon and rightfully said "we know how to preach. We can make 'em laugh and make 'em cry. We have musical talent that can whip them up into a frenzy. We're so good we don't even need God anymore"

He made the statement in pointing out that we so professionally know how to have church that we could do it on our own and might not even notice the difference.

He had a cordless mic. He stepped out the side door as he said "God could completely leave our services (He stepped out and shut the door) and we wouldn't even notice.

I think Steve was affected by seeing that very thing in action. I have seen it myself. But that is a church issue... not a musician issue.

You know why?

Because when church time starts you gotta jump. When the clock hits that right time you better perform.

You have to be able to "do it" at least 3 times a week and on cue.

What you started out giving out of love & devotion can, if you are in that type of church, become rote.

That isn't a "music devil" as pertains to musicians. That is a spirit of a church (which is generally set by the demands of the pastor) that wants to see this monkey dance when they put in a coin.

That is a church wide problem and the musicians are often the victims... not th perpetrators.
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