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[Pressing-On]

Originally Posted by MissBrattified

I do understand what you're saying. I think it takes some spiritual maturity to respond just as well to what a soft-spoken missionary or elder minister will say just as well as someone who speaks loudly, charismatically and really grabs your attention. (As opposed to paying attention)

That's largely cultural, too, don't you think? We are media-trained to respond to what is loud, bright, colorful, exciting and *gasp* entertaining! Furthermore, the church culture has (IMO) squelched spontaneous worship in exchange for dictated worship, so even in a highly charged, liberated atmosphere, folks are still trying to do what they are "supposed" to do. I have seen people stop worshiping when the music stopped--not because they wanted to, but because they didn't want to be disruptive or be out of order.

This brings up something else interesting that I just thought of...does it ever seem like music is a "cover" for worship? It seems that sometimes people are too embarrassed to really call out to God and really express themselves, unless there is music or singing loudly assisting them or playing over them so they are sort of unnoticed....hmmmm. Perhaps we have made folks feel so self-conscious about expression and worship that they only time they feel comfortable doing it is when the music is up.

btw, I was at that BOTT. I remember BC doing that!

Cool, so you know my story is true! lol

I think it's a shame that we follow the bright lights, so to speak. God is so beautiful in the quiet moments. When you look back at various services you will note the largest and deepest moves of God were during the quiet times, when we allowed Him to flow in and we took our time to embrace Him.

That is a leadership issue, though. However you are trained it will continue to filter down the pike.

Yes, I do think music is sometimes a cover. People are embarrassed to express themselves because they are largely unsure of how they can actually respond or will they be accepted, is the moment right, is it just me, what do I do, should I respond now......?

My husband often says he would rather someone do something wrong then to make people feel afraid to respond at all. You can train someone who may have gotten a bit out of order, but if you put fear in people, it can take years to recover if they ever do.

[Elizabeth]

Originally Posted by Pressing-On

Cool, so you know my story is true! lol

I think it's a shame that we follow the bright lights, so to speak. God is so beautiful in the quiet moments. When you look back at various services you will note the largest and deepest moves of God were during the quiet times, when we allowed Him to flow in and we took our time to embrace Him.

That is a leadership issue, though. However you are trained it will continue to filter down the pike.

Yes, I do think music is sometimes a cover. People are embarrassed to express themselves because they are largely unsure of how they can actually respond or will they be accepted, is the moment right, is it just me, what do I do, should I respond now......?

My husband often says he would rather someone do something wrong then to make people feel afraid to respond at all. You can train someone who may have gotten a bit out of order, but if you put fear in people, it can take years to recover if they ever do.

I agree with this, seeing God in the quite moments.

I have seen so many people struggle with this, to them it's too difficult to relate to God on this level.

[Pressing-On]

Originally Posted by Jeanie

I agree with this, seeing God in the quite moments.

I have seen so many people struggle with this, to them it's too difficult to relate to God on this level.

You are so right. But, really, I've been trained through the years that the loud expression is the best - you know - make a joyful noise......?

I've posted this before, but it really made an indelible impression on me forever and I'm sure I will reference it again.

One day, during my regular prayer time, I was struggling and so I began to clap and say, loudly, "I love you Jesus!!!" Lord, that made me more frustrated.

Soooo, I knelt by the bed and simply said, in a quiet voice, "I love you Jesus."

Wellllll, His Spirit flooded that bedroom!!! How easy was that? He just wanted my heart!!!

I didn't have to turn cartwheels or hang from a chandelier to get His attention.

Let me also go on record as saying, "If you come out of the prayer room and you have a shout in your feet - shout your hair down if you want to!" I am not against noise.

I am for, carefully, following after His Spirit. It's takes time and patience. None of us are God. We don't know what people are thinking and needing when they walk through those doors. God is the only one that knows. Why manipulate the people. Why not just take some time and find out what door God wants us to walk through and throw that thing open when we find it and do our Pentecostal business? - in the Holy Ghost!!!

[MissBrattified]

Originally Posted by Pressing-On

I am for, carefully, following after His Spirit. It's takes time and patience. None of us are God. We don't know what people are thinking and needing when they walk through those doors. God is the only one that knows. Why manipulate the people. Why not just take some time and find out what door God wants us to walk through and throw that thing open when we find and do our Pentecostal business? - in the Holy Ghost!!!

Excellent!!! I like this--a lot!!!!

[Pressing-On]

Originally Posted by MissBrattified

Excellent!!! I like this--a lot!!!!

Hallelujah! In the Holy Ghost!!!

[Elizabeth]

Originally Posted by Pressing-On

You are so right. But, really, I've been trained through the years that the loud expression is the best - you know - make a joyful noise......?

I've posted this before, but it really made an indelible impression on me forever and I'm sure I will reference it again.

One day, during my regular prayer time, I was struggling and so I began to clap and say, loudly, "I love you Jesus!!!" Lord, that made me more frustrated.

Soooo, I knelt by the bed and simply said, in a quiet voice, "I love you Jesus."

Wellllll, His Spirit flooded that bedroom!!! How easy was that? He just wanted my heart!!!

I didn't have to turn cartwheels or hang from a chandelier to get His attention.
Let me also go on record as saying, "If you come out of the prayer room and you have a shout in your feet - shout your hair down if you want to!" I am not against noise.

I am for, carefully, following after His Spirit. It's takes time and patience. None of us are God. We don't know what people are thinking and needing when they walk through those doors. God is the only one that knows. Why manipulate the people. Why not just take some time and find out what door God wants us to walk through and throw that thing open when we find and do our Pentecostal business? - in the Holy Ghost!!!

The cartwheel remark made me laugh!

I am going to edit this remark I made prior-

It's sad that people do not know what you know Pressing, they do not know God like this- in the quite moments.

[Pressing-On]

Originally Posted by Jeanie

The cartwheel remark made me laugh!

I am going to edit this remark I made prior-

It's sad that people do not know what you know Pressing, they do not know God like this- in the quite moments.

It is sad. Now, listen - I'm just like Saul!! I need music to calm me down - just don't rush me. My mind is usually tearing around at 120 mph. I cannot be rushed.

I had someone actually glare at me because I didn't come to the front and pray with a women that walked up to the altar area. I had nothing I felt to say to her. I felt like it was a personal time she needed alone without interference. We need to be sensitive to His Spirit. Not everyone needs you to lay hands on them. I refuse to be intimated into that. Just preaching!!!!!

[Fiyahstarter]

Originally Posted by Pressing-On

I had someone actually glare at me because I didn't come to the front and pray with a women that walked up to the altar area. I had nothing I felt to say to her. I felt like it was a personal time she needed alone without interference. We need to be sensitive to His Spirit. No everyone needs you to lay hands on them. I refuse to be intimated into that. Just preaching!!!!!

SHINE THE LIGHT LORD!!!! I wish more people discerned this!!!!

People rushing over to pray on others at the altar just because they need to BE DOING SOMETHING ... big turn off. Really keeps people out of the altars!!!

If the Holy Ghost leads, fine. Otherwise, pray for them at your seat... or better yet, maybe pray about yourself once in awhile!!!!

[Pressing-On]

Originally Posted by Fiyahstarter

SHINE THE LIGHT LORD!!!! I wish more people discerned this!!!!

People rushing over to pray on others at the altar just because they need to BE DOING SOMETHING ... big turn off. Really keeps people out of the altars!!!

If the Holy Ghost leads, fine. Otherwise, pray for them at your seat... or better yet, maybe pray about yourself once in awhile!!!!

Yes, that will preach!

[Fiyahstarter]

Originally Posted by Pressing-On

Cool, so you know my story is true! lol

I think it's a shame that we follow the bright lights, so to speak. God is so beautiful in the quiet moments. When you look back at various services you will note the largest and deepest moves of God were during the quiet times, when we allowed Him to flow in and we took our time to embrace Him.

Double AMEN that!!

I believe we need more quiet times in the Lord ...

I do not believe we give God enough time in the services. (We have a schedule to keep, you know.)

We need to wait more often... we get too anxious to try to make it happen.