So, we return back to the original premise, and I am straightforward about this...
Is a soul damned to Hell if they are not baptized, though they believe in Christ, have confessed and repented of their sins?
No... but it is somewhat of a strange question... seeing that baptism immediately follows repentance in scripture.
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I am a firm believer in the Old Paths
Articles on such subjects as "The New Birth," will be accepted, whether they teach that the new birth takes place before baptism in water and Spirit, or that the new birth consists of baptism of water and Spirit. - THE PENTECOSTAL HERALD Dec. 1945
"It is doubtful if any Trinitarian Pentecostals have ever professed to believe in three gods, and Oneness Pentecostals should not claim that they do." - Daniel Segraves
But, what if a soul cannot be baptized for physical reasons?
I can't think of any such case, but His grace is sufficient - yes.
__________________ "It is inhumane, in my opinion, to force people who have a genuine medical need for coffee to wait in line behind people who apparently view it as some kind of recreational activity." Dave Barry 2005
I am a firm believer in the Old Paths
Articles on such subjects as "The New Birth," will be accepted, whether they teach that the new birth takes place before baptism in water and Spirit, or that the new birth consists of baptism of water and Spirit. - THE PENTECOSTAL HERALD Dec. 1945
"It is doubtful if any Trinitarian Pentecostals have ever professed to believe in three gods, and Oneness Pentecostals should not claim that they do." - Daniel Segraves
A baby in vitro is alive correct?
If the baby never comes out of the water can they live, much less mature to an adult?
Could one be born into the house of Israel and not have a part in the covenant because of disobeying the command of God to be circumcised?
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I am a so called "Three-stepper" but Acts 10 is not a problem for my belief system. Being born of the water and the spirit is not necessarily a matter of step #1, step #2 but a matter of obedience. When the Gentiles had received the Holy Ghost/Spirit the question was asked.."How can we forbid water baptism to these whom Christ has filled with His spirit [paraphrased]." Christ infilling the Gentiles was proof to the Jews that this gospel was also for the Gentile...just like Acts 2:38 portrays...whosoever will.
A Baby, before birth is alive is it not? A baby after birth was already alive but had to complete the process to mature into an adult. Be careful how you respond to this because you may or may not give a good argument for pro-choice people.
Just like communion/the sacriments, we do these as remembrance of Christ's death, burial, and resurrection. If we believe ..."That He [Christ] is, and is a rewarder of them who diligently seek him", then we will do the things asked us out of obedience. You have the belief first, which leads to only one act/behavior we are responsible for...baptism. Christ is the one who fills us with his spirit. That is his promise to those who believe and are baptized.
In summary, the act of baptism is an act of obedience if we believe Christ to be who he says he is. This is identifying with him in death/burial, this act of obedience gives us remittance of our sins, past, present, and future. The infilling of his spirit is His responsibility/promise to the believer who obeys. The order is not as important as the act of obedience. The infilling of the Holy Ghost to a dead person [spiritually] can be likened to an embryo that has life, but has not yet been born. The life before water birth is in the body and blood/umbilical cord to our creator.
But, what if a soul cannot be baptized for physical reasons?
Bro Price, I speak carefully and respectfully, because I know a little bit about you from your past conversations on this forum. But anyone who is willing to be baptised, God can and will look after them physically.
I know of people who were baptised in bathtubs in their hospitals.
If I was going to pass away, without divine intervention... it wouldn't matter to me if being baptised was considered unsafe for my body... the flesh isn't going to be around for long.
This is my answer to your question.
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Psalm 19:14
Let the words of my mouth, and the meditation of my heart, be acceptable in thy sight, O LORD, my strength, and my redeemer.
Bro Price, I speak carefully and respectfully, because I know a little bit about you from your past conversations on this forum. But anyone who is willing to be baptised, God can and will look after them physically.
I know of people who were baptised in bathtubs in their hospitals.
If I was going to pass away, without divine intervention... it wouldn't matter to me if being baptised was considered unsafe for my body... the flesh isn't going to be around for long.
This is my answer to your question.
So, God's grace is not sufficient then? We must be baptized? We must have a work of man to be saved? Sorry, but this does not align with the scriptures.
God is not unrighteous. If a repentant soul was supposed to be baptized, but physically could not, then God would ........ that soul to Hell? Sorry, but I disagree with this assertion.
So, God's grace is not sufficient then? We must be baptized? We must have a work of man to be saved? Sorry, but this does not align with the scriptures.
God is not unrighteous. If a repentant soul was supposed to be baptized, but physically could not, then God would ........ that soul to Hell? Sorry, but I disagree with this assertion.
You asked. I don't know anyone who has the mental reasoning to repent and recieve the Holy Ghost who could not be baptised in obedience.
__________________ Mrs. LPW
Psalm 19:14
Let the words of my mouth, and the meditation of my heart, be acceptable in thy sight, O LORD, my strength, and my redeemer.
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