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Old 02-27-2008, 11:11 PM
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Re: Are You Eliminating Debt/Backstocking Food?

Almost two years ago they were saying the plague was coming and we needed to stockpile food. Plague hasn't happened yet. About a year and a half ago they were telling Seattle they were the next city for a terrorist attack. Hasn't happened. The media has a way of trying to create a spirit of fear that motivates and causes the masses to react. God has not given us a spirit of fear, but of power, love and sound mind. No reason to be afraid when man says jump. As far as Joseph was concerned God said jump not man. When God speaks I will listen. As long as the government and media are proclaiming fear tactics, I will continue to tune out.
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Old 02-27-2008, 11:14 PM
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Re: Are You Eliminating Debt/Backstocking Food?

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Eliminating Debt? Yes
Backstocking Food? Yes

I have another question...since the US dollar has lost value and has been forecasted to plummet more, where should we invest our money? I heard that gold was a safe investment, but how does one go about purchasing gold and should it be kept in a safe in the home?
The answer today. Energy stocks, asian mutual funds, foreign currency, especially long on yen, and euro. Mid term on the yuan.

Gold is best bought with EFTs, or futures. Can only be held by private investor if in the form of currency (like the Canadian Maple Leaf or American Gold Eagle). But at today's prices ($946 oz) a bank vault would be more prudent.

How to go about purchasing?

http://goldprice.org/buying-gold/

Hope this helps.
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Old 02-27-2008, 11:15 PM
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Yeah I was kinda disappointed that pel didn't have the acumen to recognize that the twinkie was the ultimate survival food.

Hey! We didn't even agree that Twinkies were "food."
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Old 02-27-2008, 11:18 PM
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Hey! We didn't even agree that Twinkies were "food."
Food for survival purposes, thought we discussed whether it was cuisine.

On the other hand if we are getting picky I guess roaches would be the ultimate survival food.

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Old 02-27-2008, 11:42 PM
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Re: Are You Eliminating Debt/Backstocking Food?

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The answer today. Energy stocks, asian mutual funds, foreign currency, especially long on yen, and euro. Mid term on the yuan.

Gold is best bought with EFTs, or futures. Can only be held by private investor if in the form of currency (like the Canadian Maple Leaf or American Gold Eagle). But at today's prices ($946 oz) a bank vault would be more prudent.

How to go about purchasing?

http://goldprice.org/buying-gold/

Hope this helps.
Thanks for the info. I sent you a PM to ask more details regarding gold purchasing.
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Old 02-28-2008, 08:34 AM
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Re: Are You Eliminating Debt/Backstocking Food?

Friends, my purpose was not to sound apocolyptic.

I just thought this would be an interesting conversation to have.

Who among us really believes we will never experience another terrorist attack?

Ever?

I think that is all our government is trying to drive home. The idea that, even with their best efforts, it is impossible to prevent every attack.
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Old 02-28-2008, 08:41 AM
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You need to come out of the bunker mentality. The food that "lasts the longest" grows, is harvested and is replenished or replanted for another harvest.

But this requires a whole different mindset. We like to imagine such Apocalyptic scenarios in terms where we as an individual control the food supply, the women and the liquor. As Dispensationalists we're willing to leave out the booze but we demand control over our foodstuffs and womenfolk. It's kind of like the survival plan that Doctor Strangelove found so enticing. Most of our planning has been a dream of shacking up underground eating a gourmet variety of reconstituted soup pastes and preparing to "replenish the earth;" just in case this isn't the final blow up.

A more reasoned approach would be to climb out of our bunkers and the inherent anti-social and anti-Christian mindset behind such notions. If you are truly concerned you would already have a piece of ground that has a good source of water and is suitable to raising crops for subsistence living.

Living above ground means that you will have to form alliances with your neighbors. Trading of goods and services and mutual defense will be essential. In time, these "communities" will band together with other communities and and regional and eventually national associations will be reestablished.

This is the way Eastern Europe was rebuilt after the Mongol invasions. Also, we can see the pattern repeating itself over and over again. The key to survival is cooperating with larger and larger groups of people. Cooperation and mutual defense has always won out over the hunker in your bunker mentality.

And the only way to keep a dialysis patient alive is to have enough people working together to support a local hospital. Otherwise the only good he is to us is as a sacrificial spy to see if the hostiles over the ridge have managed to keep any of their women.
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Old 02-28-2008, 09:23 AM
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Re: Are You Eliminating Debt/Backstocking Food?

eliminating debt always a good idea, dt
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Old 02-28-2008, 09:40 AM
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Here is Corrie’s exhortation to us from a letter she wrote in 1974.

The world is deathly ill. It is dying. The Great Physician has already signed the death certificate. Yet there is still a great work for Christians to do. They are to be streams of living water, channels of mercy to those who are still in the world. It is possible for them to do this because they are overcomers.

Christians are ambassadors for Christ. They are representatives from Heaven to this dying world. And because of our presence here, things will change.

My sister, Betsy, and I were in the Nazi concentration camp at Ravensbruck because we committed the crime of loving Jews. Seven hundred of us from Holland, France, Russia, Poland and Belgium were herded into a room built for two hundred. As far as I knew, Betsy and I were the only two representatives of Heaven in that room.

We may have been the Lord’s only representatives in that place of hatred; yet because of our presence there, things changed. Jesus said, “In the world you shall have tribulation; but be of good cheer, I have overcome the world.” We too, are to be overcomers — bringing the light of Jesus into a world filled with darkness and hate.

Sometimes I get frightened as I read the Bible, and as I look in this world and see all of the tribulation and persecution promised by the Bible coming true. Now I can tell you, though, if you too are afraid, that I have just read the last pages. I can now come to shouting “Hallelujah! Hallelujah!” for I have found where it is written that Jesus said, “He that overcometh shall inherit all things: and I will be His God, and he shall be My son.” This is the future and hope of this world. Not that the world will survive — but that we shall be overcomers in the midst of a dying world.

Betsy and I, in the concentration camp, prayed that God would heal Betsy who was so weak and sick. “Yes, the Lord will heal me,” Betsy said with confidence. She died the next day and I could not understand it. They laid her thin body on the concrete floor along with all the other corpses of the women who died that day.

It was hard for me to understand, to believe that God had a purpose for all that. Yet because of Betsy's death, today I am traveling all over the world telling people about Jesus.

There are some among us teaching there will be no tribulation, that the Christians will be able to escape all this. These are some of the false teachers that Jesus was warning us to expect in the latter days. Most of them have little knowledge of what is already going on across the world. I have been in countries where the saints are already suffering terrible persecution.

In China, the Christians were told, “Don't worry, before the tribulation comes you will be translated — raptured.” Then came a terrible persecution. Millions of Christians were tortured to death. Later I heard a Bishop from China say, sadly,

We have failed. We should have made the people strong for persecution rather than telling them Jesus would come first. Tell the people how to be strong in times of persecution, how to stand when the tribulation comes — to stand and not faint.

I feel I have a divine mandate to go and tell the people of this world that it is possible to be strong in the Lord Jesus Christ. We are in training for the tribulation, but more than sixty percent of the Body of Christ across the world has already entered into the tribulation. There is no way to escape it. We are next.

Since I have already gone through prison for Jesus’ sake, and since I met the Bishop in China, now every time I read a good Bible text I think, “Hey, I can use that in the time of tribulation." Then I write it down and learn it by heart.

When I was in the concentration camp, a camp where only twenty percent of the women came out alive, we tried to cheer each other up by saying, “Nothing could be any worse than today.” But we would find the next day was even worse. During this time a Bible verse that I had committed to memory gave me great hope and joy:

If ye be reproached for the name of Christ, happy are ye; for the spirit of glory and of God resteth upon you; on their part evil is spoken of, but on your part He is glorified (1 Peter 3:14).

I found myself saying, “Hallelujah! Because I am suffering, Jesus is glorified!”

In America, the churches sing, “Let the congregation escape tribulation,” but in China and Africa the tribulation has already arrived. This last year alone, more than two hundred thousand Christians were martyred in Africa. Now things like that never get into the newspapers because they cause bad political relations. But I know. I have been there. We need to think about that when we sit down in our nice houses with our nice clothes to eat our steak dinners. Many, many members of the Body of Christ are being tortured to death at this very moment, yet we continue right on as though we are all going to escape the tribulation.

Several years ago I was in Africa in a nation where a new government had come into power. The first night I was there some of the Christians were commanded to come to the police station to register. When they arrived they were arrested and that same night they were executed. The next day the same thing happened with other Christians. The third day it was the same. All the Christians in the district were being systematically murdered.

The fourth day I was to speak in a little church. The people came, but they were filled with fear and tension. All during the service they were looking at each other, their eyes asking, “Will this one I am sitting beside be the next one killed? Will I be the next one?”

The room was hot and stuffy with insects that came through the screenless windows and swirled around the naked bulbs over the bare wooden benches. I told them a story out of my childhood.

“When I was a little girl,” I said, “I went to my father and said, ‘Daddy, I am afraid that I will never be strong enough to be a marty for Jesus Christ.’”

“Tell me,” said Father, “When you take a train trip to Amsterdam, when do I give you the money for the ticket? Three weeks before?”

“No, Daddy, you give me the money for the ticket just before we get on the train.”

“That is right,” my father said, “and so it is with God’s strength. Our Father in Heaven knows when you will need the strength to be a martyr for Jesus Christ. He will supply all you need — just in time....”

My African friends were nodding and smiling. Suddenly a spirit of joy descended upon that church and the people began singing,

In the sweet, by and by, we shall meet on that beautiful shore.

Later that week, half the congregation of that church was executed. I heard later that the other half was killed some months ago.

But I must tell you something. I was so happy that the Lord used me to encourage these people, for unlike many of their leaders, I had the word of God. I had been to the Bible and discovered that Jesus said He had not only overcome the world, but to all those who remained faithful to the end, He would give a crown of life.

How can we get ready for the persecution? First we need to feed on the word of God, digest it, make it a part of our being. This will mean disciplined Bible study each day as we not only memorize long passages of scripture, but put the principles to work in our lives.

Next we need to develop a personal relationship with Jesus Christ. Not just the Jesus of yesterday, the Jesus of history, but the life-changing Jesus of today who is still alive and sitting at the right hand of God.

We must be filled with the Holy Spirit. This is no optional command of the Bible, it is absolutely necessary. Those earthly disciples could never have stood up under the persecution of the Jews and Romans had they not waited for Pentecost. Each of us needs our own personal Pentecost, the baptism of the Holy Spirit. We will never be able to stand in the tribulation without it.

In the coming persecution, we must be ready to help each other and encourage each other. But we must not wait until the tribulation comes before starting. The fruit of the Spirit should be the dominant force of every Christian’s life.

Many are fearful of the coming tribulation, they want to run. I, too, am a little bit afraid when I think that after all my eighty years, including the horrible Nazi concentration camp, that I might have to go through the tribulation also. But then I read the Bible and I am glad.

“When I am weak, then I shall be strong,” the Bible says. Betsy and I were prisoners for the Lord; we were so weak, but we got power because the Holy Spirit was on us. That mighty inner strengthening of the Holy Spirit helped us through. No, you will not be strong in yourself when the tribulation comes. Rather, you will be strong in the power of Him who will not forsake you. For seventy-six years I have known the Lord Jesus and not once has He ever left me, or let me down.

“Though He slay me, yet will I trust Him,” for I know that to all who overcome, He shall give the crown of life. Hallelujah!

Corrie ten Boom—1974
What an incredible witness of the power of God.

I love what her father shared with her. Wisdom!
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James 5
1. Go to now, ye rich men, weep and howl for your miseries that shall come upon you.
2. Your riches are corrupted, and your garments are motheaten.
3. Your gold and silver is cankered; and the rust of them shall be a witness against you, and shall eat your flesh as it were fire. Ye have heaped treasure together for the last days.
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