CeCe Winans under fire for singing at Gay church

[GodsBabyGirl]

Originally Posted by rgcraig

You know, this is just a dumb question if you think about it.

How do you reach the lost?

You know, Sis, that was one of the wisest responses to this fear of ministering to 'gays.'

Let me just say...

I could see if CeCe was going to join the praise and worship team at Victory or something. I lived right down the street from Victory when I lived in GA.

I inadvertantly had my daughter go to the church with a friend. The things my daughter told me she saw when she came back appalled me.

But the point is, HOW ON GOD'S GREEN EARTH WILL THE HOMOSEXUAL GET SAVED OR DELIVERED IF THE CHURCH IS TOO FREAKIN' SCARED TO MINISTER TO THEM?

You mean to tell me that gays and lesbians aren't worthy to experience the presence of God?

The redeeming power of God? The anointing that destroys the yoke of perversion off their lives?

I do believe this is why homosexuals and lesbians have congregations.

I mean if they thought they were all right, they wouldn't acknowledge a need for redemption or salvation, right?

Yes, herego, their gospel is a little perverted. Their doctrine is off.

But what we must look at is the fact that they at least WANT to go to church. They want to know that Jesus loves them.

This is what we ALL want.

Now if a homosexual cannot come to church and hear the Word of God that can save their soul...

If a lesbian cannot experience an encounter with God while under the anointing at church...

Where can they go?

Leave CeCe alone. I believe the woman is led by the Holy Ghost, and am sure she prayed about going there before she agreed to minister there.

[ReformedDave]

Originally Posted by GodsBabyGirl

You know, Sis, that was one of the wisest responses to this fear of ministering to 'gays.'

Let me just say...

I could see if CeCe was going to join the praise and worship team at Victory or something. I lived right down the street from Victory when I lived in GA.

I inadvertantly had my daughter go to the church with a friend. The things my daughter told me she saw when she came back appalled me.

But the point is, HOW ON GOD'S GREEN EARTH WILL THE HOMOSEXUAL GET SAVED OR DELIVERED IF THE CHURCH IS TOO FREAKIN' SCARED TO MINISTER TO THEM?

You mean to tell me that gays and lesbians aren't worthy to experience the presence of God?

The redeeming power of God? The anointing that destroys the yoke of perversion off their lives?

I do believe this is why homosexuals and lesbians have congregations.

I mean if they thought they were all right, they wouldn't acknowledge a need for redemption or salvation, right?

Yes, herego, their gospel is a little perverted. Their doctrine is off.

But what we must look at is the fact that they at least WANT to go to church. They want to know that Jesus loves them.

This is what we ALL want.

Now if a homosexual cannot come to church and hear the Word of God that can save their soul...

If a lesbian cannot experience an encounter with God while under the anointing at church...

Where can they go?

Leave CeCe alone. I believe the woman is led by the Holy Ghost, and am sure she prayed about going there before she agreed to minister there.

Gays are worshiping a god created in their own image. They do NOT want the God of the Bible. That is CLEAR. They want acceptance and not repentance.

Practicing gays and lesbians and not WORTHY of the presence of God. What makes them worthy?

If a homosexual comes to Christ with a realization that he is a sinner deserves death and hell and his only hope is in Christ he can be changed....but not until then.

[Hoovie]

Originally Posted by ReformedDave

Gays are worshiping a god created in their own image. They do NOT want the God of the Bible. That is CLEAR. They want acceptance and not repentance.

Practicing gays and lesbians and not WORTHY of the presence of God. What makes them worthy?

If a homosexual comes to Christ with a realization that he is a sinner deserves death and hell and his only hope is in Christ he can be changed....but not until then.

True. And I am sure you would agree the same is true for the NON homosexual.

It is the inability to acknowlege sin and accept the only anadote that damns the soul.

If one argues homosexuality (or any other sin) is NOT sin, they cannot be forgiven.

[ReformedDave]

Originally Posted by Stephen Hoover

True. And I am sure you would agree the same is true for the NON homosexual.

It is the inability to acknowlege sin and accept the only anadote that damns the soul.

If one argues homosexuality (or any other sin) is NOT sin, they cannot be forgiven.

I would agree. But one HAS to realize their absolute unworthiness and that only He is worthy.....hey you said that already.

[GodsBabyGirl]

Originally Posted by ReformedDave

They want acceptance and not repentance.

This may be the case for some, I won't argue with that. But I do not believe that is the case with them all. That is a broad generalization, a stereotype...

Originally Posted by ReformedDave

Practicing gays and lesbians and not WORTHY of the presence of God. What makes them worthy?

How can you who needs the Blood of Jesus as we all do come to the conclusion of WHO is worthy of the presence of God and who isn't?????

Originally Posted by ReformedDave

If a homosexual comes to Christ with a realization that he is a sinner deserves death and hell and his only hope is in Christ he can be changed....but not until then.

I don't argue with the fact that. I have always maintained that ALL need to come the realization that none of us are what you call 'worthy' of God's presence or salvation.

What Apostolics are the only ones worthy? Cuz we got the doctrine down right. We don't wear this or do that. We have standards and blah, blah, blah....

So because we do all this now we are 'worthy?'

That mindset is PRIDE. And pride always come before a fall.

Sir, NONE of us are worthy. NONE of us will be saved if we don't come to the realization that we need Jesus. Period.

I am not attacking you. Please undertand that. It's just that there are countless number of souls who are bound by homosexuality and lesbianism who are going to split hell wide open because preachers throw names and stones at them instead of effectively ministering to them.

Sad...

[Exupcer]

The above man stated.....

I have no fear of gays. I have several friends that are homosexual. What I do fear is the ONE Who can destroy not only my body but also my soul. What he deems as an abomination I have no right to contradict.

Do you think Cece is going to tell anybody at this church that they need to leave their lifestyle???????
__________________

So, tell us about your 'friendship' with homosexuals. This is interesting. I have also made some new friends as of late who are gay. Why do you believe that it is OK for you to be a friend to homosexuals, several of them you are friends with you state, yet you do not believe that Jesus is a friend to them? Are you claiming to be MORE friendly than Jesus? Do you associate with those whom you believe Jesus does not? Do you accept as friends those whom God does not? Is this because you are better than God or worse than God? If you are their friend and God is not...then you are not on the same page with God, and from your ultra conservative view, would that not put your own soul in jeapordy?

What do you and your gay friends do? Explain please. We want to know, since you seem to write about this much, and have 'several' as friends. Is homosexuality something that you struggle with in secret? Just wondering, since you seem at ease with them as friends, yet struggle with religious acceptance of them. Is this a conflict between your heart and head?

[chosenbyone]

Originally Posted by Exupcer

The above man stated.....
So, tell us about your 'friendship' with homosexuals. This is interesting. I have also made some new friends as of late who are gay. Why do you believe that it is OK for you to be a friend to homosexuals, several of them you are friends with you state, yet you do not believe that Jesus is a friend to them? Are you claiming to be MORE friendly than Jesus? Do you associate with those whom you believe Jesus does not? Do you accept as friends those whom God does not? Is this because you are better than God or worse than God? If you are their friend and God is not...then you are not on the same page with God, and from your ultra conservative view, would that not put your own soul in jeapordy?

Just wondering, since you seem at ease with them as friends, yet struggle with religious acceptance of them. Is this a conflict between your heart and head?

Perhaps, the conflict originated when he left the Apostolic church and became a Presbyterian?

[ReformedDave]

Originally Posted by chosenbyone

Perhaps, the conflict originated when he left the Apostolic church and became a Presbyterian?

Sure. That's it!

[ReformedDave]

Originally Posted by Exupcer

The above man stated.....

I have no fear of gays. I have several friends that are homosexual. What I do fear is the ONE Who can destroy not only my body but also my soul. What he deems as an abomination I have no right to contradict.

Do you think Cece is going to tell anybody at this church that they need to leave their lifestyle???????
__________________

So, tell us about your 'friendship' with homosexuals. This is interesting. I have also made some new friends as of late who are gay. Why do you believe that it is OK for you to be a friend to homosexuals, several of them you are friends with you state, yet you do not believe that Jesus is a friend to them? Are you claiming to be MORE friendly than Jesus? Do you associate with those whom you believe Jesus does not? Do you accept as friends those whom God does not? Is this because you are better than God or worse than God? If you are their friend and God is not...then you are not on the same page with God, and from your ultra conservative view, would that not put your own soul in jeapordy?

What do you and your gay friends do? Explain please. We want to know, since you seem to write about this much, and have 'several' as friends. Is homosexuality something that you struggle with in secret? Just wondering, since you seem at ease with them as friends, yet struggle with religious acceptance of them. Is this a conflict between your heart and head?

You make some very interesting assertions. I have some friends that I've known all, or most, of my life and later in life they declared themselves to be gay. I still remain friends. They know where I stand. We are not 'hang out buddies' as they have chosen a sinful path but they know they still have a friend that if they choose to forsake their sin and turn to Christ I will help anyway I can. In no way do they think I condone their choice.

Do I think I'm better than God? Your stupidity is showing! I'm instructed to be an example to those that do not know Christ. While He was on earth He ate with sinners but in no way condoned their lives. I am and will do the same and be available if God chooses to convict them. I will continue, as the opportunity arises, to witness to them and pray for them. I have no latent homosexual tendencies and I don't struggle with religious acceptance of them. They are going to an eternity of punishment if they don't come to a place of true repentance.

[chosenbyone]

Originally Posted by GodsBabyGirl

You know, Sis, that was one of the wisest responses to this fear of ministering to 'gays.'

Let me just say...

I could see if CeCe was going to join the praise and worship team at Victory or something. I lived right down the street from Victory when I lived in GA.

I inadvertantly had my daughter go to the church with a friend. The things my daughter told me she saw when she came back appalled me.

But the point is, HOW ON GOD'S GREEN EARTH WILL THE HOMOSEXUAL GET SAVED OR DELIVERED IF THE CHURCH IS TOO FREAKIN' SCARED TO MINISTER TO THEM?

You mean to tell me that gays and lesbians aren't worthy to experience the presence of God?

The redeeming power of God? The anointing that destroys the yoke of perversion off their lives?

I do believe this is why homosexuals and lesbians have congregations.

I mean if they thought they were all right, they wouldn't acknowledge a need for redemption or salvation, right?

Yes, herego, their gospel is a little perverted. Their doctrine is off.

But what we must look at is the fact that they at least WANT to go to church. They want to know that Jesus loves them.

This is what we ALL want.

Now if a homosexual cannot come to church and hear the Word of God that can save their soul...

If a lesbian cannot experience an encounter with God while under the anointing at church...

Where can they go?

Leave CeCe alone. I believe the woman is led by the Holy Ghost, and am sure she prayed about going there before she agreed to minister there.

I read through the last few pages of this thread this evening and I thought that your posts showed compassion, love and understanding that many other posts on this thread lacked. A person was more likely to except the truth of salvation from someone who took the time to be a friend and who was willing to truly minister to them. Jesus exemplified that throughout his life and ministry when he befriended the sinners even at the cost of his reputation.

I was glad to see that you got it, sister!