AMF/Tulsa: the result of "tradition of men"

Pastor Keith · #1 03-09-2008, 09:14 PM

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Originally Posted by Bro-Larry

When men take a point of scripture and extrapolate it, or extend it out, or stretch it out to mean more than the true God intended meaning, then you have synthesized a doctrine or a tradition of men.

This was Jesus' number one indictment, against the Pharisees and Sadducees.

Jesus said that they made "...the word of God of none effect through your tradition,...: and many such like things ye do." (Mk 7:13).

He gave examples of, to what He was referring. The legalists had taken the commandment: "Honor thy father and mother", and extrapolated it to mean that if they pledged all their estate to the temple, they would be released from their obligation to care for their aged parents. Greedy! Greedy!

Jesus also pointed out that they had extended simple hygenic practices of the law to included all kinds of cumbersome ceremonial procedures that placed unnecessarily heavy burdens on God's people.

No wonder that no one could ever keep "their law". (Jesus kept the royal law.)

The Apostolic Movement; though not monolythic, has "many such like things ye do"; this is the same as, "...,teaching for doctrines the commandments of men". (Mk 7:7)

When these dogmas are raised to the level of God's intended meaning, they become sacred cows, in the minds of the adhearants. When those sacred cows are kicked over, some just can't let go of them.

You don't think that helping God out, or adding fences for protections is a good thing?

There is actually a whole teaching about this issue, its called Binding and Loosing, some pastors feel because of their office that God actually backs their teaching on standards because of the whole principle of Binding and Loosing.

freeatlast · #2 03-10-2008, 10:20 AM

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Originally Posted by keith4him

You don't think that helping God out, or adding fences for protections is a good thing?

There is actually a whole teaching about this issue, its called Binding and Loosing, some pastors feel because of their office that God actually backs their teaching on standards because of the whole principle of Binding and Loosing.

The "doctrine" of binding and loosing.

My old pastor said if I tell you, you have to wear bib overalls to make it and stand on your head in a corner....well then bless God you gotta do it or be lost.

That's why he's my "old pastor"

Me thinks the intrepretation of binding and loosing is another scripture sorely abused by OP preachers.

Bro-Larry · #3 03-10-2008, 03:24 PM

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Originally Posted by freeatlast

The "doctrine" of binding and loosing.

My old pastor said if I tell you, you have to wear bib overalls to make it and stand on your head in a corner....well then bless God you gotta do it or be lost.

That's why he's my "old pastor"

Me thinks the intrepretation of binding and loosing is another scripture sorely abused by OP preachers.

I've had the same experience. My "old pastor" said to me that there are people who have sinned against him, and they can't be saved until he releases them.

CC1 · #4 03-10-2008, 04:14 PM

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Originally Posted by Bro-Larry

I've had the same experience. My "old pastor" said to me that there are people who have sinned against him, and they can't be saved until he releases them.

Can you say cult????!!!!! Guys like that ought to be run out of old time Pentecost by wise elders.

Fiyahstarter · #5 03-10-2008, 06:33 PM

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Originally Posted by freeatlast

The "doctrine" of binding and loosing.

My old pastor said if I tell you, you have to wear bib overalls to make it and stand on your head in a corner....well then bless God you gotta do it or be lost.

That's why he's my "old pastor"

Me thinks the intrepretation of binding and loosing is another scripture sorely abused by OP preachers.

Someone PULEEZ help me understand ...

What would make a pastor think he could make up rules and hold my salvation hostage to those rules?

Are there any pastors out there willing to field this question???

bishoph · #6 03-10-2008, 06:40 PM

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Originally Posted by Fiyahstarter

Someone PULEEZ help me understand ...

What would make a pastor think he could make up rules and hold my salvation hostage to those rules?

Are there any pastors out there willing to field this question???

I can't speak for the pastors you are questioning, as I have never attempted to hold anyones salvation hostage.

I do, however, believe that as a pastor I have the permission to teach certain things "by permission" as did the Apostle Paul. It is important when doing so, that I, as did the Apostle, identify that this is something that is not a Biblical mandate, and as such has no salvational recompense. JMHO

freeatlast · #7 03-10-2008, 06:42 PM

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Originally Posted by bishoph

I can't speak for the pastors you are questioning, as I have never attempted to hold anyones salvation hostage.

I do, however, believe that as a pastor I have the permission to teach certain things "by permission" as did the Apostle Paul. It is important when doing so, that I, as did the Apostle, identify that this is something that is not a Biblical mandate, and as such has no salvational recompense. JMHO

WoW..this twice this month I have agreed with you.

You might want to check yourself....you may be going charismatic

bishoph · #8 03-10-2008, 06:48 PM

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Originally Posted by freeatlast

WoW..this twice this month I have agreed with you.

You might want to check yourself....you may be going charismatic

Tell me it aint so!

Pastor Keith · #9 03-10-2008, 06:51 PM

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Originally Posted by bishoph

I can't speak for the pastors you are questioning, as I have never attempted to hold anyones salvation hostage.

I do, however, believe that as a pastor I have the permission to teach certain things "by permission" as did the Apostle Paul. It is important when doing so, that I, as did the Apostle, identify that this is something that is not a Biblical mandate, and as such has no salvational recompense. JMHO

Very good post!

Fiyahstarter · #10 03-10-2008, 07:13 PM

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Originally Posted by bishoph

I can't speak for the pastors you are questioning, as I have never attempted to hold anyones salvation hostage.

I do, however, believe that as a pastor I have the permission to teach certain things "by permission" as did the Apostle Paul. It is important when doing so, that I, as did the Apostle, identify that this is something that is not a Biblical mandate, and as such has no salvational recompense. JMHO

Thanks... I can get onboard with your answer.

But are there pastors that have heard from God to place mandates on his/her flock?