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03-11-2008, 09:01 PM
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Re: A Muslim "standard" causes contrvesy
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Actually it was just a couple of hours each day on 3 separate days.
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Yes......and? The are still shutting it down to others for religious reasons.
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That's the thing, though. Their press for religion freedom benefits us on the flip side, at least legally speaking.
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It won't and has not in the long run and in a country where Political Correctness has run amuck
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I'm not going to get into an uproar because Muslims are being granted special rights, because it doesn't matter to me whether they are Muslim or Baptist--it's still religious freedom being allowed a bit of leeway on a college campus, which seems to be rare.
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It does not matter to me if they ar Muslim or Baptist either....that is beside the point. They are NOT baptist. The Baptist religion is not being taught to our kids in public schools. It's not religious freedom. They are free to practice their religion anyways. Just like everyone else is. It's making special concessions and privileges available to one religion over another. And in this case it's Islam. The problem is, as stated before, is Americans are not seeing the larger picture...perhaps it is due to historical ignorance. Islam has taken over countries through bloodless Jihad. They start by immigrating there. They have many children there. They start demanding special rights to accomodate THEIR religion in the public and in government. They then use the laws and government to gain more power until they are the majority.
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The reason Christians haven't been able to use this to their benefit is simply because--they haven't used it to their benefit. If they wanted to take it to court and press the matter, they could probably realize the same freedom, based on the precedents set by Muslims and other minority groups.
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I think you are still not getting it. My point isn't "Sniff, sniff.....we Christians don't get that stuff"....My point is THIS is how Islam works to take over a nation.
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- The Son is God himself in a human form or "God manifested in the flesh" (1Tim 3:16)
- Every sinner must repent of their sins.
- That Jesus name baptism is the only biblical mode of water baptism.
- That the Holy Ghost is for today and is received by faith with the initial evidence of speaking in tongues.
- The saint will go on to strive to live a holy life, pleasing to God.
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03-11-2008, 09:56 PM
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Re: A Muslim "standard" causes contrvesy
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Yes......and? The are still shutting it down to others for religious reasons.
It won't and has not in the long run and in a country where Political Correctness has run amuck
It does not matter to me if they ar Muslim or Baptist either....that is beside the point. They are NOT baptist. The Baptist religion is not being taught to our kids in public schools. It's not religious freedom. They are free to practice their religion anyways. Just like everyone else is. It's making special concessions and privileges available to one religion over another. And in this case it's Islam. The problem is, as stated before, is Americans are not seeing the larger picture...perhaps it is due to historical ignorance. Islam has taken over countries through bloodless Jihad. They start by immigrating there. They have many children there. They start demanding special rights to accomodate THEIR religion in the public and in government. They then use the laws and government to gain more power until they are the majority.
I think you are still not getting it. My point isn't "Sniff, sniff.....we Christians don't get that stuff"....My point is THIS is how Islam works to take over a nation.
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No, I get it, Prax, my point is that the reason Christianity hasn't taken "over" the nation (at least in the public domain) is because Christians are too commonly apologetic about their freedoms instead of aggressively taking them. And I'm not sure that we should be as aggressive as Islam, BUT I'm just saying that we can't really complain when they step up and get their way--just because they stepped up and utilized the legal system.  Legal action is not taken often enough to make a difference for us, unfortunately. And I'm just as lackadaisical as the rest--I have no interest in pursuing legal action against anyone.
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03-12-2008, 02:10 AM
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Re: A Muslim "standard" causes contrvesy
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No, I get it, Prax, my point is that the reason Christianity hasn't taken "over" the nation (at least in the public domain) is because Christians are too commonly apologetic about their freedoms instead of aggressively taking them. And I'm not sure that we should be as aggressive as Islam, BUT I'm just saying that we can't really complain when they step up and get their way--just because they stepped up and utilized the legal system.  Legal action is not taken often enough to make a difference for us, unfortunately. And I'm just as lackadaisical as the rest--I have no interest in pursuing legal action against anyone.
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Ok...we seem to be talking about two different things. I want to talk about the danger of Islam and how they take over nations and you want to talk about why Christianity aggressively going after the same things? Is that right?
I mean, if every religion went after what they wanted that aggressively and got it the gym would be closed to some group every day of the week....this is generally why our society does not give preferential treatments in school or government to one religion only. It's the reason why no religion is to be taught in our schools....any time Christians have tried the ACLU jumps in....when Islam is taught the ACLU does nothing....my point is not that Christians are being short changed but that Americans are asleep and allowing a sleeping giant to awaken in our midst....that is the growing threat of Islam. It is already a problem in Europe....are we next? Is this just an example of a growing trend here?
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Let it be understood that Apostolic Friends Forum is an Apostolic Forum.
Apostolic is defined on AFF as:
- There is One God. This one God reveals Himself distinctly as Father, Son and Holy Ghost.
- The Son is God himself in a human form or "God manifested in the flesh" (1Tim 3:16)
- Every sinner must repent of their sins.
- That Jesus name baptism is the only biblical mode of water baptism.
- That the Holy Ghost is for today and is received by faith with the initial evidence of speaking in tongues.
- The saint will go on to strive to live a holy life, pleasing to God.
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03-12-2008, 05:06 AM
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Re: A Muslim "standard" causes contrvesy
I agree, we are asleep. And it will take something bigger than 9/11 to wake us up, unfortunatly. How many illegal border crossings are there every day? How many of them are actually Mexican? Could one from the Middle East play himself off as Mexican? If so then how many of them are probably here? This whole topic needs its own thread.
Mrs B. You also are correct , but the problem is you are about 20 years too late. If I am anti-christian there is a system I follow to get my agenda passed. I start by taking you to task in California or Mass. where the liberals are already in power and sympathetic and ethics are a thing of the past. Once I have a foot hold there the rest of the country will follow suit. I work to vote liberal politicians into office so I can have liberal judges when my agenda gets to their courts. And of course I donate big time to the ACLU so I will have a supply of lawyers.
The above has already been done and put into place. Yes , even the rest of the country is following suit, remember the judge in southern baptist bible belt Alabama that was thrown out for having the 10 commandments?
Now we are about to have an all Democratic Congress and White House. Both candidates have already said that communication is the answer to the Islamic threat...............the beginning of the end..
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