FOX Lies!! Barack Obama Pastor Wright

[Rico]

Originally Posted by TRFrance

Especially disturbing to me is that he would want to raise his 2 daughters children in that kind of environment.

This is a man who campaigns that he represents hope, healing, positivity, etc, but he lets this man inject such poison into the minds of his family for all these years?

He claims he was disturbed by some of White's inflammatory comments....but obviously not disturbed enough to leave.

How different is that from any of our people staying at a church where the preacher won't marry mixed couples because of not believing in mixing of the races? It's no different.

[scotty]

Originally Posted by Rico

How different is that from any of our people staying at a church where the preacher won't marry mixed couples because of not believing in mixing of the races? It's no different.

You can't be serious,

Get off the race altogether, He has made derogatory remarks against the jews, spoken of 9/11 being our fault, saying we bombed Japan just because we wanted too. He has said we should stop all aid to Israel.

I don't need to hear racial arguments to know that the rest of his statements are simple ignorant ramblings.

The man said "Bill Clinton was giving it to the blacks like he was giving it to Monica Lewinski"

WHAT?!?!?!?

What "man of God" would use such tasteless words in a tabernacle??
I have enough kudos about myself as not to say something like that on here, much less in the house of God.

And yes , there is a difference. A preacher who wont marry mixed race has a doctrinal issue. This man isn't preaching doctrinal issues, he is preaching about the politics of man from the pulpit of God.

There is no defence for that. Lest you lower yourself to his standards.

[TRFrance]

Originally Posted by Rico

How different is that from any of our people staying at a church where the preacher won't marry mixed couples because of not believing in mixing of the races? It's no different.

Well, I feel that's wrong too, and I've already said that on this forum anyway;so what's your point?

I'm not making excuses for one incident, by bringing up another, the way you seem to be trying to do. Jeremiah Wright is the issue here, and I don't see any need to deflect attention from him by talking about what someone else's pastor does.

Somebody else's white pastor is not the issue here. Why do you feel the need to bring him into this, instead of dealing with the topic at hand?

[TRFrance]

Originally Posted by Rico

Right. Racism hasn't even entered the conversation.


"Does that mean you are going to discount the plethora of racial comments made by Wright that have been documented over the past 20 years. One cannot deny his anti-semtic actions by embracing Louis Farakhan. One cannot deny Wright has made racially charged statements that would make Don Imus look like Billy Graham. Wright, Jesse Jackson, Al Sharpton, Farakhan want us to believe the black man is still a victim. If we could quarantine about a dozen of the so-called black leaders, 95% of the race problems would be eliminated.

I'm tired of being told I need to be color blind while the blacks are being told the white man is to blame for their failures. Wright needs to teach blacks how to rise above mediocrity instead of blaming white people for their lack of success."


"One must remember that Reverend Wright was a civil-rights era pastor who spoke from experience about the struggle of equality for his race. Reverend Wright lived in the era of segregation and limited opportunity and saw first hand what many of us only read about in our history books.

Would it be too much of a stretch to see that Reverend Wright was from a generation that was directly affected by the blatant hatred of people of color and that was why he spoke so passionately about the treatment of blacks in his sermons?

Furthermore, where has he blamed the social ills of the black community squarely on whites? I would be interested to see where you got that idea when people who have known Reverend Wright has stated that he hasn't let the black community of the hook for the breakdown of the black family structure.

The following is an excerpt from an article in the The Salt Lake Tribune which explains what I have tried to above:

''The whole generation that Rev. Wright represents is expressing what they call a righteous anger, the anger from the failed promises of America,'' said Dwight Hopkins, a professor at the University of Chicago Divinity School. ''The prophetic anger is toward expanding the democracy, expanding it so all citizens can walk through the door of opportunity.''
Often lost in the attention paid to Wright's fiery sermons is the typical conclusion, Hopkins said - that despite all obstacles, you are a child of God and ''can make a way out of no way.'' That phrase, common in the language of the black church, was used by Obama in his 4,700-word speech Tuesday.
While Trinity United Church of Christ is more Afrocentric and slightly more political than most black churches, ''even conservative black churches talk about racism in a way that many whites would find wounding or offensive,'' said Gary Dorrien, a religion professor at Columbia University in New York.
''Most white Americans have a very limited capacity for dealing with black anger or acknowledging their own racial privileges,'' Dorrien said. ''Wherever white people are dominant, whiteness is transparent to them. In black church communities, dealing with that problem is an every-week issue.''
Wright does not focus his ire on white America alone, said Martin Marty, a retired professor of religious history who taught Wright at the University of Chicago.
''He is very hard on his own people,'' Marty said. ''He criticizes them for their lack of fidelity in marriage, for black-on-black crime. He is not saying one part of America is right and one is wrong.''
Obama and others also have highlighted Trinity's extensive social safety net. It offers college-placement help, drug and alcohol counseling, a credit union, and domestic-violence programs.
Wright retired last month, and his generation of pastors is being supplanted by a new wave of preachers with TV ministries and megachurches who preach a prosperity message, said Lawrence Mamiya, a professor of religion at Vassar College who studies the black church. That theme has little to do with overcoming racial or societal barriers, and a lot to do with faith being rewarded with material riches.
''We see that as the dominant trend now, with many young black seminarians in divinity school seeing that as their major model,'' Mamiya said. ''Some of the older clergy like Wright decry that, saying it's forgetting the whole social justice tradition.''"

"What we need as a country is for someone to stop the sniveling and whining on one side of the race coin, and stop the discrimination on the other side. I have never in my life treated someone badly because of their race, culture or skin color. Ever. So I get a little sick of hearing men like JW pound it into the heads of his constituents as if it is commonplace and normal. Maybe in isolated parts of the country, but certainly not as widespread as some would have us believe."

"Man of integrity my eye! He is still racist and his comments in blaming America for what is happening is way out of line.
His inflamatory rhetoric is no different than Farrakhan and their followers."

"you need to relook at Rev. Wright's comments and sermon topics over an extended period...they are racist and outrageous in any context..."



No, you're right TRFRANCE, racism was never brought up in this thread. In fact, I am probably imagining that it was mentioned in any of the other threads recently started on this forum too. It must be time to get my glasses checked.

Your sarcasm, aside... you're still missing the point.

The man's has multiple comments that are racist, anti-American, and in many cases blatantly false. But you're trying to imply that those who criticize him are doing so because ...

Originally Posted by Rico

...the average white person in this country hasn't even begun to understand the average black person's experience or point of view.

So that's that your conclusion? That's the best you can come up with? Please, bro. Spare us.

Of course race is part of the overall issue. No one denies that. But the topic of the thread doesn't need to be hijacked, by you or anyone else. The topic of the thread is that Fox supposedly lied. Fox did not lie, neither did the news media lie in reporting what the man said. A lot of Democrats, and Obama supporters especially like to bash Fox, but Fox is not the problem here. Jeremiah Wright is .

And yes, we can always talk about race relations in general. We know we have a ways to go for things to be where they need to be. However, my response to the original post (the topic at hand) is that 1... Fox didn't lie 2... Rev Wright has made similar and other more outrageous statements 3. its ridiculous to blame Fox for carrying a story that all the major news outlets were carrying.

I guess you realized you weren't able to refute those 3 simple points...
Because you decided to skip over the points I made (and the thread topic) and focus on talking about how "the average white person in this country hasn't even begun to understand the average black person's experience or point of view". That may well be true brother, but as I said before, that is a separate issue.

I guess you simply preferred not to respond to the points I had made regarding the issue . But jumping all over the place and getting into side issues, instead of the central issue, just just further makes it clear that even you realize that the original point of this thread is invalid.

The whole premise of the original point on this thread is logically invalid anyway. I guess you realize that, and that's why you want to complain about racism in general. Fine. Suit yourself then. It seems that those making excuses for Jeremiah Wright will say whatever they can to deflect from the outrageousness of his comments. And even if deep down they know he's wrong, they can always find a way to blame white America. I guess personal accountability doesn't matter any more. At least the defenders of Rev Wright obviously seem to think so.

Originally Posted by chosenbyone

I was going to post this video on another thread, but I didn't want it to be missed. We've heard all the spin about Reverend J. Wright's (Obama's pastor) sermon after September 11. I had just about lost faith in Obama's judgement like so many others until I stumbled upon this video. I certainly had to repent last night for judging others after I heard what Wright had said before and after the snipit that played over and over on television. It was POWERFUL!

It was a shame that the mediia chose to take Wright's words out of context in order to create strife among the public and to help form doubt on a man of integrity. This video will surely cause everyone to see that they were played by the media just like me.

http://youtube.com/watch?v=QOdlnzkeoyQ

You are a racist bigot if you defend the words of this idiot. I dont care what kind of context he stated this extremist separatist views in. This guy is the biggest racist and bigot I have ever seen. Did you see the interview with Shawn Hanity and Allan Combs?

This man is a disgrace to Christianity and our country. If he doesnt like it hear, I say we take up a collection and send him to the country of his choice and hear if he still says "God D##M america!

[TRFrance]

Originally Posted by Discerner

You are a racist bigot if you defend the words of this idiot. I dont care what kind of context he stated this extremist separatist views in. This guy is the biggest racist and bigot I have ever seen. Did you see the interview with Shawn Hanity and Allan Combs?

This man is a disgrace to Christianity and our country. If he doesnt like it hear, I say we take up a collection and send him to the country of his choice and hear if he still says "God D##M america!

Thank you.
Even, "in context" his words are still offensive. And that doesn't even take into consideration the other racist and anti-American things he's said.

I wish people would stop drinking the Obama-Wright Kool-aid.

[SOUNWORTHY]

Originally Posted by Rico

The more I read the posts in this thread and others, the more convinced I am becoming that the average white person in this country hasn't even begun to understand the average black person's experience or point of view. We have such a long way to go.

I was told the same thing by a black Rev. one time. His words were" you just don't understand our culture" . II said, " if cheating is your culture then I don't understand"!

[berkeley]

Originally Posted by scotty

Umm....I don't think Katrina falls under Condi's job description...

Your mayor was the clueless one

Your governor turned away federal help because it was offered by a republican. Yes ma'am, she chose politics over people....

[MissBrattified]

There is absolutely NO context in which someone can say God **** America (my beloved country) and it will be okay. Sorry. Taking God's name in vain and cursing this country in the same breath--Wow. There was a time when that would get you charged with treason. I kind of miss those days.

[Rico]

Originally Posted by TRFrance

Well, I feel that's wrong too, and I've already said that on this forum anyway;so what's your point?

I'm not making excuses for one incident, by bringing up another, the way you seem to be trying to do. Jeremiah Wright is the issue here, and I don't see any need to deflect attention from him by talking about what someone else's pastor does.

Somebody else's white pastor is not the issue here. Why do you feel the need to bring him into this, instead of dealing with the topic at hand?

Because I think you guys are making a mountain out of a molehill.