FOX Lies!! Barack Obama Pastor Wright

[Rico]

Originally Posted by TRFrance

Your sarcasm, aside... you're still missing the point.

The man's has multiple comments that are racist, anti-American, and in many cases blatantly false. But you're trying to imply that those who criticize him are doing so because ...
So that's that your conclusion? That's the best you can come up with? Please, bro. Spare us.

Of course race is part of the overall issue. No one denies that. But the topic of the thread doesn't need to be hijacked, by you or anyone else. The topic of the thread is that Fox supposedly lied. Fox did not lie, neither did the news media lie in reporting what the man said. A lot of Democrats, and Obama supporters especially like to bash Fox, but Fox is not the problem here. Jeremiah Wright is .

And yes, we can always talk about race relations in general. We know we have a ways to go for things to be where they need to be. However, my response to the original post (the topic at hand) is that 1... Fox didn't lie 2... Rev Wright has made similar and other more outrageous statements 3. its ridiculous to blame Fox for carrying a story that all the major news outlets were carrying.

I guess you realized you weren't able to refute those 3 simple points...
Because you decided to skip over the points I made (and the thread topic) and focus on talking about how "the average white person in this country hasn't even begun to understand the average black person's experience or point of view". That may well be true brother, but as I said before, that is a separate issue.

I guess you simply preferred not to respond to the points I had made regarding the issue . But jumping all over the place and getting into side issues, instead of the central issue, just just further makes it clear that even you realize that the original point of this thread is invalid.

The whole premise of the original point on this thread is logically invalid anyway. I guess you realize that, and that's why you want to complain about racism in general. Fine. Suit yourself then. It seems that those making excuses for Jeremiah Wright will say whatever they can to deflect from the outrageousness of his comments. And even if deep down they know he's wrong, they can always find a way to blame white America. I guess personal accountability doesn't matter any more. At least the defenders of Rev Wright obviously seem to think so.

Fox did what media does; they put out just enough of what he said to make it newsworthy. I have news for you. I heard apostolic preachers preaching that 9/11 was our own fault because of the things we have done overseas. I've gone to churches that were openly racist, with the pastor using the n word over the pulpit because "all his black friends knew he wasn't using it in a derogatory way". I know preachers that won't marry a black man to a white woman. The point I am making is that what this JW has said really isn't any different than so much of what I have already heard coming across apostolic pulpits. Where are the threads slamming those preachers? Where's the outrage over our own preachers doing some of the same things this JW has done? Why is this such a big deal now? Could it be because Barak Obama is a black man running for President and people in this country don't want to admit that they really don't want a black man to be their President, so they are doing anything and everything they can to discredit him?

Originally Posted by Rico

Fox did what media does; they put out just enough of what he said to make it newsworthy. I have news for you. I heard apostolic preachers preaching that 9/11 was our own fault because of the things we have done overseas. I've gone to churches that were openly racist, with the pastor using the n word over the pulpit because "all his black friends knew he wasn't using it in a derogatory way". I know preachers that won't marry a black man to a white woman. The point I am making is that what this JW has said really isn't any different than so much of what I have already heard coming across apostolic pulpits. Where are the threads slamming those preachers? Where's the outrage over our own preachers doing some of the same things this JW has done? Why is this such a big deal now? Could it be because Barak Obama is a black man running for President and people in this country don't want to admit that they really don't want a black man to be their President, so they are doing anything and everything they can to discredit him?

You must have gone to Pastor Wright's church since he fits this description. The guy is an idiot racist bigot. I haven't heard this coming across any white pulpits, if so dont you think there would be an outcry. Minorities have more rights in this country then white men will ever have. I would slam any preacher regardless of color if they made these same comments. This guy is a racist plain and simple, and if you agree with him you are a racist as well. These types of people are full of double speak, they claim everybody is racist all the while sprewing racist propoganda.

[Rico]

Originally Posted by Discerner

You must have gone to Pastor Wright's church since he fits this description. The guy is an idiot racist bigot. I haven't heard this coming across any white pulpits, if so dont you think there would be an outcry. Minorities have more rights in this country then white men will ever have. I would slam any preacher regardless of color if they made these same comments. This guy is a racist plain and simple, and if you agree with him you are a racist as well. These types of people are full of double speak, they claim everybody is racist all the while sprewing racist propoganda.

Listen, I let is slide when you called someone else a racist, but you aren't going to get away with it with me. You have lost your mind, if you think you can even come close to pegging me as a racist.

Originally Posted by Rico

Listen, I let is slide when you called someone else a racist, but you aren't going to get away with it with me. You have lost your mind, if you think you can even come close to pegging me as a racist.

depends on if you agree with him or not. Would you say the man was racist if he were white and spewing this venom about blacks? The Rev IS a racist bigot!!!

[Rico]

Originally Posted by Discerner

depends on if you agree with him or not. Would you say the man was racist if he were white and spewing this venom about blacks? The Rev IS a racist bigot!!!

I don't care what you call him, but you aren't going to get by with calling me a racist. I can promise you that much.

Originally Posted by Rico

I don't care what you call him, but you aren't going to get by with calling me a racist. I can promise you that much.

I dont think I said you were a racist? Show me where I called you a racist.

Originally Posted by Rico

I don't care what you call him, but you aren't going to get by with calling me a racist. I can promise you that much.

Can you answer this question then? Would you say the man was racist if he were white and spewing this venom about blacks?

[Rico]

Originally Posted by Discerner

Can you answer this question then? Would you say the man was racist if he were white and spewing this venom about blacks?

If black people had owned white people, bought and sold white people, hung white people from trees, and made white people fight so hard just for basic human rights and dignity, then no, I would not consider them racist.

[MissBrattified]

Originally Posted by Discerner

You must have gone to Pastor Wright's church since he fits this description. The guy is an idiot racist bigot. I haven't heard this coming across any white pulpits, if so dont you think there would be an outcry. Minorities have more rights in this country then white men will ever have. I would slam any preacher regardless of color if they made these same comments. This guy is a racist plain and simple, and if you agree with him you are a racist as well. These types of people are full of double speak, they claim everybody is racist all the while sprewing racist propoganda.

I disagree with you, Discerner. JW's speech had valid points. They were just made poorly. Personally, I'm not convinced that he is a racist, but I think he is spouting what he thinks his congregation wants or needs to hear. Pandering comes to mind.

Calling names and making conditional statements like "if you agree...you're a racist[too]"--well, I don't see how that allows conversation to progress.

[Sam]

Originally Posted by Discerner

... Minorities have more rights in this country then white men will ever have. ...

Surely you must be a racist to say something like that.

We don't say stuff like that.
It's not politically correct.

Affirmative action (some times referred to as "set asides" or "reverse discrimination" or "tilting the playing field") is just a way of trying to correct long-standing inequities.