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04-01-2008, 12:21 PM
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Re: Lesbian Teens Allowed At Prom -Scottsboro, AL
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Must come as quite a shock to the Jews who sent their kids to synagogue.
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Religious schools are acceptable. The key is that it is a parent's responsibility to have their children educated and brought up in the fear and admonition of the Lord. Sending children to the public schools in our country is definitely outside of God's standards as given to parents.
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04-01-2008, 12:31 PM
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Re: Lesbian Teens Allowed At Prom -Scottsboro, AL
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Religious schools are acceptable. The key is that it is a parent's responsibility to have their children educated and brought up in the fear and admonition of the Lord. Sending children to the public schools in our country is definitely outside of God's standards as given to parents.
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And who's paying for the religious schools?
FWIW, I've always homeschooled my kids. Until this last year. I did not choose to be a single parent. I did not choose to be left to support 4 kids alone. I did homeschool them for 2 years after my divorce. I am not, however, capable of doing everything. I can not afford religious school, I can not afford to homeschool. They're in public school for now, and most likely will be for a good while.
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04-01-2008, 12:38 PM
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Re: Lesbian Teens Allowed At Prom -Scottsboro, AL
Personally my God is greater than the school system. My kids not only went to public school, they thrived.
They were involved in Bible studies and prayer groups.
The first year my daughter attempted to sing a Christian song in the talent show, they tried to stop her and only backed down after threat from a lawsuit from yours truly.
By her senior year nearly half of the songs were overtly Christian.
Jesus did not call us to an isolationist lifestyle and hide behind monastery walls.
IF you think the local school system is corrupt, take it back.
My God is able.
Yours?
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04-01-2008, 12:53 PM
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Re: Lesbian Teens Allowed At Prom -Scottsboro, AL
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Originally Posted by James Griffin
Personally my God is greater than the school system. My kids not only went to public school, they thrived.
They were involved in Bible studies and prayer groups.
The first year my daughter attempted to sing a Christian song in the talent show, they tried to stop her and only backed down after threat from a lawsuit from yours truly.
By her senior year nearly half of the songs were overtly Christian.
Jesus did not call us to an isolationist lifestyle and hide behind monastery walls.
IF you think the local school system is corrupt, take it back.
My God is able.
Yours?
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Thank you!!!
My daughter also thrived all the way through public schools and like yours was involved in the Bible and Christian clubs. She was influential in her high school in many ways, and she never backed down from her faith.
What are we teaching our children about how to live their walk with God in this world if we isolate them from it completely until they are grown? What, and them throw them out to the job market? That, to me, is unreasonable.
My daughter also lived on a college campus for two years before deciding to change her major and move back home. Was I worried? Yes, but only about her safety, I knew that her walk with God would survive, because it wasn't based on her surroundings.
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04-01-2008, 12:57 PM
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Re: Lesbian Teens Allowed At Prom -Scottsboro, AL
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Originally Posted by dizzyde
Thank you!!!
My daughter also thrived all the way through public schools and like yours was involved in the Bible and Christian clubs. She was influential in her high school in many ways, and she never backed down from her faith.
What are we teaching our children about how to live their walk with God in this world if we isolate them from it completely until they are grown? What, and them throw them out to the job market? That, to me, is unreasonable.
My daughter also lived on a college campus for two years before deciding to change her major and move back home. Was I worried? Yes, but only about her safety, I knew that her walk with God would survive, because it wasn't based on her surroundings.
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True. I will probably lose a lot of brownie points for saying this, but I went to JCM with a lot of sheltered PKs who totally fell apart with finally faced with the real world.
I would go slightly farther. What are you teaching them about personal evangelism by hiding them?
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04-01-2008, 01:09 PM
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Re: Lesbian Teens Allowed At Prom -Scottsboro, AL
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True. I will probably lose a lot of brownie points for saying this, but I went to JCM with a lot of sheltered PKs who totally fell apart with finally faced with the real world.
I would go slightly farther. What are you teaching them about personal evangelism by hiding them?
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I'm with you on the first point. However, the Holy Ghost gives us power to be witnesses, and Jesus didn't start His ministry until He was in His 30's. (Well, there was that time when He was 12...  ) If a child isn't Spirit filled, then does he have the power to be a witness?
Children are not our personal ambassadors to the world. We would do better to set a good example by being involved in the community, in charities, and other good works.
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04-01-2008, 01:31 PM
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Re: Lesbian Teens Allowed At Prom -Scottsboro, AL
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Originally Posted by James Griffin
True. I will probably lose a lot of brownie points for saying this, but I went to JCM with a lot of sheltered PKs who totally fell apart with finally faced with the real world.
I would go slightly farther. What are you teaching them about personal evangelism by hiding them?
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Well, I will go one step further, so if you are losing brownie points, they will probably burn my brownies.
I actually forbid my daughter from going to Bible college, at least until she was out of secular college. (it wasn't hard, she wasn't interested in going anyway)
My reasoning is that I have been around the bible college kids in our district quite extensively, and the arrogant spirit that came off of most of the kids was not something I wanted her around until she was a little older.
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04-01-2008, 02:57 PM
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Re: Lesbian Teens Allowed At Prom -Scottsboro, AL
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Originally Posted by James Griffin
Personally my God is greater than the school system. My kids not only went to public school, they thrived.
They were involved in Bible studies and prayer groups.
The first year my daughter attempted to sing a Christian song in the talent show, they tried to stop her and only backed down after threat from a lawsuit from yours truly.
By her senior year nearly half of the songs were overtly Christian.
Jesus did not call us to an isolationist lifestyle and hide behind monastery walls.
IF you think the local school system is corrupt, take it back.
My God is able.
Yours?
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Thank you.
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04-01-2008, 12:38 PM
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Re: Lesbian Teens Allowed At Prom -Scottsboro, AL
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And who's paying for the religious schools?
FWIW, I've always homeschooled my kids. Until this last year. I did not choose to be a single parent. I did not choose to be left to support 4 kids alone. I did homeschool them for 2 years after my divorce. I am not, however, capable of doing everything. I can not afford religious school, I can not afford to homeschool. They're in public school for now, and most likely will be for a good while.
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I mean this will all love and respect sis... and I feel that most would agree.
YOU, as a parent would pay for the religious education.
I know that it's hard to raise kids alone. But that's a reality many women have to face. We pray for you and perhaps a church school can offer you a break on tuition.
As a Christian I don't think it's right to take my tax money to fund a public school where poor welfare parents can send their children and pay nothing. And it makes matters worse when these public schools teach our kids ungodliness. The problem is that the government forces every parent to send their kids to school. The Government should back off and if parent's can't afford to home school or send their children to religious schools they should pull their kids out and educate them through life experience at home.
It's just another socialist system. I hear parents complain about the cost of education. But how often to they eat out? How much are they paying for internet access, television cable packages, that new car they bought when they should have bought used? It's all about priorities.
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04-01-2008, 01:23 PM
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Re: Lesbian Teens Allowed At Prom -Scottsboro, AL
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I mean this will all love and respect sis... and I feel that most would agree.
YOU, as a parent would pay for the religious education.
I know that it's hard to raise kids alone. But that's a reality many women have to face. We pray for you and perhaps a church school can offer you a break on tuition.
As a Christian I don't think it's right to take my tax money to fund a public school where poor welfare parents can send their children and pay nothing. And it makes matters worse when these public schools teach our kids ungodliness. The problem is that the government forces every parent to send their kids to school. The Government should back off and if parent's can't afford to home school or send their children to religious schools they should pull their kids out and educate them through life experience at home.
It's just another socialist system. I hear parents complain about the cost of education. But how often to they eat out? How much are they paying for internet access, television cable packages, that new car they bought when they should have bought used? It's all about priorities.
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Eat out? Not often, at all.
Internet access? $26 a month, that I'd do without if I wasn't also a full time student.
Cable tv? None.
New car? I have zero car payment. My insurance is also very low, not enough coverage to be honest, but it's cheap until something happens.
Priorities only work when there is actually money to work with.
$800 only goes so far, it does *not* include private education. It doesn't include food or childcare expenses either (two of the three welfare things I actually use). It definitely doesn't include the cost of childcare if I kept my kids home and still had to go to class and work two jobs. And don't talk to me about welfare, socialism. I hate using the government's money with every fiber of my being, but at least it hands out some. That's far more than the churches and Christians around here do.
FWIW, public school costs far more than homeschooling ever did. I can't pay it, so my kids end up taking advantage of welfare and scholarships and teachers pay out of their own pockets for the things I'm supposed to be paying for. I don't like that, at all. It makes me angry that it costs more to take advantage of the free public school system than it ever did to stay home with my kids. It makes me crazy that the government will pay up to $1200 a month for childcare so I can attend school and work, but will not pay me $800 so I can stay home and raise my own children.
And, since I'm getting out some angst, might as well go for it all in one place. Do you have any idea how empty the promise that you'll pray for me really is? There are a few years of struggle packed into this thought here, I'll try to be easy on you, but really. EMPTY. Worthless. Beyond frustrating. "Don't use welfare, but we won't help you either. But we will pray for you!". Um, don't bother. Please. Wouldn't want you to overextend yourself.
I apologize if you're one of the very rare people who actually do go out of your way to help people, that's not what I'm reading into your posts though.
BTW, we agree on the government control of the education system. I don't believe education is a government responsibility. I'd love to see that responsibility returned to the parents. I also don't think that tax money should be used to support things that the tax payers are opposed to. But really, that's not even the root of the problem.
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You become free from who you have become, by becoming who you were meant to be. ~Mark from another forum I post on
God did it for us. Out of sheer generosity he put us in right standing with himself. A pure gift. He got us out of the mess we're in and restored us to where he always wanted us to be. And he did it by means of Jesus Christ. ~Romans 3:24 from The Message
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