What is Wisdom?

[Michael The Disciple]

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[izzyschwartz]

Originally Posted by Michael The Disciple

Try looking here.

http://www.apostolicfriendsforum.com...ad.php?t=12760

But Wisdom is a female personification, doesn't seem to fit with the son of God... He is God, so all the fullness dwells in him, so, if Wisdom is an attribute of God that would fit, but why then the female personification?

[Michael The Disciple]

Originally Posted by izzyschwartz

But Wisdom is a female personification, doesn't seem to fit with the son of God... He is God, so all the fullness dwells in him, so, if Wisdom is an attribute of God that would fit, but why then the female personification?

I cant answer that question. But I can see that Jesus DID equate himself with it.

Jesus identified himself as Wisdom.

Notice what Jesus says here:

46: And he said, Woe unto you also, ye lawyers! for ye lade men with burdens grievous to be borne, and ye yourselves touch not the burdens with one of your fingers.
47: Woe unto you! for ye build the sepulchres of the prophets, and your fathers killed them.
48: Truly ye bear witness that ye allow the deeds of your fathers: for they indeed killed them, and ye build their sepulchres.
49: Therefore also said the wisdom of God, I will send them prophets and apostles, and some of them they shall slay and persecute:
50: That the blood of all the prophets, which was shed from the foundation of the world, may be required of this generation;
51: From the blood of Abel unto the blood of Zacharias, which perished between the altar and the temple: verily I say unto you, It shall be required of this generation. Luke 11:46-51

Verse 49 Jesus says "therefore said the wisdom of God". Who is this "wisdom of God"?

In a parallel version we read:

33: Ye serpents, ye generation of vipers, how can ye escape the damnation of hell?
34: Wherefore, behold, I send unto you prophets, and wise men, and scribes: and some of them ye shall kill and crucify; and some of them shall ye scourge in your synagogues, and persecute them from city to city:
35: That upon you may come all the righteous blood shed upon the earth, from the blood of righteous Abel unto the blood of Zacharias son of Barachias, whom ye slew between the temple and the altar. Matt. 23:33-35

In one version the Wisdom Of God sends prophets and messengers. In the other version Jesus sends them. Why? Because Jesus is/was the Wisdom of God.

[Barb]

Originally Posted by Michael The Disciple

I cant answer that question. But I can see that Jesus DID equate himself with it.

Jesus identified himself as Wisdom.

Notice what Jesus says here:

46: And he said, Woe unto you also, ye lawyers! for ye lade men with burdens grievous to be borne, and ye yourselves touch not the burdens with one of your fingers.
47: Woe unto you! for ye build the sepulchres of the prophets, and your fathers killed them.
48: Truly ye bear witness that ye allow the deeds of your fathers: for they indeed killed them, and ye build their sepulchres.
49: Therefore also said the wisdom of God, I will send them prophets and apostles, and some of them they shall slay and persecute:
50: That the blood of all the prophets, which was shed from the foundation of the world, may be required of this generation;
51: From the blood of Abel unto the blood of Zacharias, which perished between the altar and the temple: verily I say unto you, It shall be required of this generation. Luke 11:46-51

Verse 49 Jesus says "therefore said the wisdom of God". Who is this "wisdom of God"?

In a parallel version we read:

33: Ye serpents, ye generation of vipers, how can ye escape the damnation of hell?
34: Wherefore, behold, I send unto you prophets, and wise men, and scribes: and some of them ye shall kill and crucify; and some of them shall ye scourge in your synagogues, and persecute them from city to city:
35: That upon you may come all the righteous blood shed upon the earth, from the blood of righteous Abel unto the blood of Zacharias son of Barachias, whom ye slew between the temple and the altar. Matt. 23:33-35

In one version the Wisdom Of God sends prophets and messengers. In the other version Jesus sends them. Why? Because Jesus is/was the Wisdom of God.

Amen...consider this...


Prov 8:22-31
The LORD possessed me in the beginning of his way, before his works of old.

23 I was set up from everlasting, from the beginning, or ever the earth was.

24 When there were no depths, I was brought forth; when there were no fountains abounding with water.

25 Before the mountains were settled, before the hills was I brought forth:

26 While as yet he had not made the earth, nor the fields, nor the highest part of the dust of the world.

27 When he prepared the heavens, I was there: when he set a compass upon the face of the depth:

28 When he established the clouds above: when he strengthened the fountains of the deep:

29 When he gave to the sea his decree, that the waters should not pass his commandment: when he appointed the foundations of the earth:

30 Then I was by him, as one brought up with him: and I was daily his delight, rejoicing always before him;


KJV

[izzyschwartz]

Originally Posted by Michael The Disciple

I cant answer that question. But I can see that Jesus DID equate himself with it.

Jesus identified himself as Wisdom.

In one version the Wisdom Of God sends prophets and messengers. In the other version Jesus sends them. Why? Because Jesus is/was the Wisdom of God.

I do not agree, at least not as you describe it here... Jesus, as separate from God, did not exist prior to the sonship, at Bethlehem... This is a Trinitarian point of view espoused by Scofield and others; that these verses in Proverbs describe a preexistent son. They feel that they must explain the "eternal person" of the son in order to reconcile passages describing Jesus as the creator. There is no reason in Oneness theology to place the son as preexistent

If Jesus as the Logos can be referred to as Wisdom as part of this thought process of God, and if that is how he was involved with creation, then perhaps Wisdom is simply an attribute of the thought process or mind of God.