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04-15-2008, 04:30 PM
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Re: Whoa! Polygamist solution is frightening...
It's very simple. You get each mother with their children. Ask the age of the oldest. Ask the mothers age. Subtract. If it is under the age of consent arrest the father.
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04-15-2008, 04:31 PM
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Re: Whoa! Polygamist solution is frightening...
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It's very simple. You get each mother with their children. Ask the age of the oldest. Ask the mothers age. Subtract. If it is under the age of consent arrest the father.
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Can't do that if they are married, Prax.
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04-15-2008, 04:39 PM
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Re: Whoa! Polygamist solution is frightening...
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Can't do that if they are married, Prax.
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Well, aren't they saying the first wife is the only one really "married"? That would mean all the other wives are not married.
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04-15-2008, 04:46 PM
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Re: Whoa! Polygamist solution is frightening...
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Well, aren't they saying the first wife is the only one really "married"? That would mean all the other wives are not married.
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Maybe, but I am sure a court would have to first nullify the marriage based on it being a multiple marriage. This is another reason why I think this whole situation is going to take years to settle in the courts. It's one to say A or B, but it is another thing entirely for what is said to carry the weight of the law behind it. So, in other words, the courts may eventually determine these underage mothers to be victims of molestation, but the court first has to establish that their marriages were never legal in the first place.
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04-15-2008, 07:22 PM
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Re: Whoa! Polygamist solution is frightening...
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Maybe, but I am sure a court would have to first nullify the marriage based on it being a multiple marriage. This is another reason why I think this whole situation is going to take years to settle in the courts. It's one to say A or B, but it is another thing entirely for what is said to carry the weight of the law behind it. So, in other words, the courts may eventually determine these underage mothers to be victims of molestation, but the court first has to establish that their marriages were never legal in the first place.
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I am sure Texas has laws against bygamy. I am thinking the reason they did not take the men but the children is if they took the men without evidence it would not be legal. But if children are in harm's way they can be removed by the state. And the evidence of abuse is young girls that are pregnant or have already had babies.
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04-15-2008, 07:29 PM
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Re: Whoa! Polygamist solution is frightening...
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I am sure Texas has laws against bygamy. I am thinking the reason they did not take the men but the children is if they took the men without evidence it would not be legal. But if children are in harm's way they can be removed by the state. And the evidence of abuse is young girls that are pregnant or have already had babies.
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I agree that the State has some latitude in taking children out of abusive situations. However, in order for those children to become wards of the State, the State's allegations have to be proven in court. This is where I believe the State of Texas is going to have some serious problems. It is one thing to bring a case against an individual, but we are talking about a whole group of people, an organization, a church. This is why I believe, if the State of Texas ultimately succeeds, this is going to have a negative ripple effect throughout the nation.
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04-15-2008, 07:40 PM
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Re: Whoa! Polygamist solution is frightening...
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I agree that the State has some latitude in taking children out of abusive situations. However, in order for those children to become wards of the State, the State's allegations have to be proven in court. This is where I believe the State of Texas is going to have some serious problems. It is one thing to bring a case against an individual, but we are talking about a whole group of people, an organization, a church. This is why I believe, if the State of Texas ultimately succeeds, this is going to have a negative ripple effect throughout the nation.
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Organized crime is illegal in Texas Rico, which this may very well fall under. And this Church as you called it's leader used and facilitated it's "relegion" to harm children so I don't think this sect of LDS would be considered a church by the state. And it didn't start in Texas this is where it is ending. Mr. Jeff's has already been convicted of sex crimes in Utah. And awaiting trial in Arizona I believe. He and his brother and one of the wives were stopped by a trooper who found out it was him and he was on the 10 most wanted by the FBI.
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04-15-2008, 05:23 PM
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Re: Whoa! Polygamist solution is frightening...
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Well, aren't they saying the first wife is the only one really "married"? That would mean all the other wives are not married.
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Polygamy is illegal. Perhaps both husband and wives can be brought up on charges, however if she was under the age of consent then only he would be on both charges of polygamy and statutory rape
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04-15-2008, 06:19 PM
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Re: Whoa! Polygamist solution is frightening...
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Well, aren't they saying the first wife is the only one really "married"? That would mean all the other wives are not married.
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Sister
The subsequent "wives" are called Spiritual Wives.
They, and their offspring, are usually on welfare.
The FLDS consider this "milking the beast"
They like to get what they can out of the Federal Government.
I think it's in retaliation of USA's "persecution" of them for polygamy.
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04-15-2008, 06:23 PM
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Re: Whoa! Polygamist solution is frightening...
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Sister
The subsequent "wives" are called Spiritual Wives.
They, and their offspring, are usually on welfare.
The FLDS consider this "milking the beast"
They like to get what they can out of the Federal Government.
I think it's in retaliation of USA's "persecution" of them for polygamy.
Nina
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Exactly - which makes them not legally married.
Retailiation of USA's persecution of them for polygamy? What do you mean? It's against the law.
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