Whoa! Polygamist solution is frightening...

[Cindy]

Originally Posted by Margies3

Even if there are NO good men left to stay, if these mothers are not the ones who abused the young girls, then how do we justify taking the children from the mothers?

We've been licensed foster parents. And both of our boys were adopted from within 'the system' (meaning that we have them because their home situations were so bad they could not be allowed to stay with their biological parents. NOT because the biological parents made a choice to give them up).
I can't tell you how many times we've seen the system work in such a way that even tho the father was abusive, if the mother was willing to put the father out, then the mother was allowed to keep her child. In fact, in our oldest son's case, that is exactly the deal the mother was offered. All she had to do was get rid of the abusive father and she would have been allowed to keep her son. Instead she chose the father over her own son. That is why we have him today.

What I'm saying is that if they have mothers who love their children and are willing to do whatever it takes to keep them - get rid of the father, attending parenting classes, move away from the compound, or whatever! - then those children should be with their mothers.

The other question that I've had all along is this: I understand that there was abuse of young girls by making them have sex with these older men. That's deplorable!! But what about the little ones? The smaller ones? The toddlers? Were they abused in some way? If not, then how do they justify removing them from their birth mothers? Doesn't there need to be just cause for removal? You can't just lump them all together.

I've seen many, many times when one child in a home would be removed because that child was being abused, while the rest of the children would be left in the home. They could not remove them until they could prove that they were also being abused. I've seen that over and over. Why not in this case?

I don't understand why y'all don't get it. The parents promoted and facilitated this by orders of their leader. The PARENT'S allowed and helped these men use their daughters. The little ones and toddler's are the result of teenage mother's some as young as 12 or 13 when they started being molested and impregnated by men. I want to know where the real biological dad's are and if there is not some incest that was also going on. Because by now they are pretty much all related somewhere or will be somewhere down the line. Different mothers same fathers.

[ChristopherHall]

Originally Posted by cneasttx

I don't understand why y'all don't get it. The parents promoted and facilitated this by orders of their leader. The PARENT'S allowed and helped these men use their daughters. The little ones and toddler's are the result of teenage mother's some as young as 12 or 13 when they started being molested and impregnated by men. I want to know where the real biological dad's are and if there is not some incest that was also going on. Because by now they are pretty much all related somewhere or will be somewhere down the line. Different mothers same fathers.

Here's the deal...there's no proof of any of all these accusations yet. This are accusations that are being imposed upon them. They are innocent until proven guilty...we need proof. And so far...even the initial call may have been a disgusted neighbor, not a real case of abuse.

If all of this is verified fact, can you provide me some sources so I can know for sure all this was happening?

[Sam]

Originally Posted by ChristopherHall

Here's the deal...there's no proof of any of all these accusations yet. This are accusations that are being imposed upon them. They are innocent until proven guilty...we need proof. And so far...even the initial call may have been a disgusted neighbor, not a real case of abuse.

If all of this is verified fact, can you provide me some sources so I can know for sure all this was happening?

It is my understanding that the "innocent until proven guilty" idea is some times suspended in cases where abuse is feared. Children can be removed from a situation if abuse is suspected so that it can be investigated. That's the way the government works and it is within the law.

[Cindy]

Originally Posted by Sam

It is my understanding that the "innocent until proven guilty" idea is some times suspended in cases where abuse is feared. Children can be removed from a situation if abuse is suspected so that it can be investigated. That's the way the government works and it is within the law.

You are absolutely right Sam, and sometimes the claims are false, but the state's real focus should always be that children are out of harms way. But they really do try to keep family's together so that the children are not torn from their families.
This is just on such a large scale that it is not comprehendible for some people.

[ChristopherHall]

Originally Posted by Sam

It is my understanding that the "innocent until proven guilty" idea is some times suspended in cases where abuse is feared. Children can be removed from a situation if abuse is suspected so that it can be investigated. That's the way the government works and it is within the law.

I can see that. What I think is strange is that ALL the children have been taken from their parents, not just those in which there is evidence of abuse. Imagine you're a member of this community and you were raised in this. You were spiritually married at a legal age of consent. You've raised your kids according to your beliefs and none of your daughters were married off or spiritually married under 17. There are no accusations against you or your spouse and authorities have stated that they have found cases where some parents in this community allowed their children to marry. While the arrangement is definitely strange...you've done no wrong. Yet you're kids are stripped from you and you've been advised to get legal counsel to get your own children back. Certainly those parents who allowed their children to marry or spiritually marry under the age of consent should be separated from their children. What's weird is that they are doing this to all of them. Not just the accused.