Whoa! Polygamist solution is frightening...

[The Mrs]

Originally Posted by Newman

1. Their leader is a problem. But that isn't to say that the whole bunch is likewise.

2. Stuff made up? The phone call that prompted the raid was. Two 22 year old women have recently been released from CPS custody because CPS now believes their age to be what it is and not the minors they accused them of being.

3. Texas did a better job here then Waco? NO. The people responded as lambs without guns or violence as they were led to slaughter (figuratively speaking)....

I think this whole situation was handled in the best way they possibly could given the circumstances.

1. The CPS/Police had NO IDEA what to expect when they went there. Remember, this is an extremely secretive cult. They live behind locked gates, and from what the local townspeople have reported so far, that although they appear to be friendly, they are not very sociable. The police presence was necessary. And BECAUSE of the history of cults they've had to deal with, they were not going to take any chances.

2. The CPS acted on 'good faith' that there really was a minor being abused. At the time they went in, they could not have known the calls were a hoax. They went in to try to find 'Sarah', and if a door is locked, they BETTER break it down to try to find her.

3. I kept hearing there was very little documentation such as birth/marriage/death certificates. Maybe what they were presenting were not acceptable documents. If that's the case, they can't just take their word for it.

[Newman]

Originally Posted by The Mrs

I think this whole situation was handled in the best way they possibly could given the circumstances.

1. The CPS/Police had NO IDEA what to expect when they went there. Remember, this is an extremely secretive cult. They live behind locked gates, and from what the local townspeople have reported so far, that although they appear to be friendly, they are not very sociable. The police presence was necessary. And BECAUSE of the history of cults they've had to deal with, they were not going to take any chances.

2. The CPS acted on 'good faith' that there really was a minor being abused. At the time they went in, they could not have known the calls were a hoax. They went in to try to find 'Sarah', and if a door is locked, they BETTER break it down to try to find her.

3. I kept hearing there was very little documentation such as birth/marriage/death certificates. Maybe what they were presenting were not acceptable documents. If that's the case, they can't just take their word for it.

The Mrs- I appreciate you taking the other side of the issue...

1. According to one of the head sherrifs (if not the head sheriff); he had visited the ranch numerous times since its inception. Furthermore, he claimed to have an informant there for 4 yrs.

Interestingly enough, it wasn't until about April 6th that the informant happened to mention underage girls having sex with adult men. What a coincidence after 4 years but in time for the court hearing....

2. I have heard that there are no walls. Are you sure there were locked gates?

3. The phone call was traced to Colorado. Why couldn't that have happened first? Because they had been itching for an excuse for a long time. Furthermore, the phone caller spoke of her mom and dad rather than mother and father as is normal language for these sects.

4. It is amazing how inaccuarate reports are. Which is it? Were the members taking welfare? If so; what documents did they produce? Why credible then, but not now? Why no education or arrests then if the minors were coming to welfare office to collect for babies?

[The Mrs]

Originally Posted by Newman

The Mrs- I appreciate you taking the other side of the issue...

1. According to one of the head police (if not the head police); he had visited the ranch numerous times since its inception. Furthermore, he claimed to have an informant there for 4 yrs.

Interestingly enough, it wasn't until about April 6th that the informant happended to mention underage girls having sex with adult men. What a coincidence after 4 years but in time for the court hearing....

2. I have heard that there are no walls. Are you sure there were locked gates?

3. The phone call was traced to Colorado. Why couldn't that have happened first? Because they had been itching for an excuse for a long time. Furthermore, the phone caller spoke of her mom and dad rather than mother and father as is normal language for these sects.

4. It is amazing how inaccuarate reports are. Which is it? Were the members taking welfare? If so; what documents did they produce? Why credible then, but not now? Why no education or arrests then if the minors were coming to welfare office to collect for babies?

All very good questions. Of course we want to see the answers to these.

I could come up with a few, but it would only be speculation on my part. I wish we could have access to the REAL facts. Regardless, I believe they did the right thing at the right time.

This image of the locked gate is used VERY frequently just about every time they show any images of the situation while running the news programs.



I had heard the Sheriff did make it inside as well...but it took a long time. He went out to the gate repeatedly and tried to talk to them. He was treated with silence for a very long time.

[Newman]

Originally Posted by The Mrs

I had heard the Sheriff did make it inside as well...but it took a long time. He went out to the gate repeatedly and tried to talk to them. He was treated with silence for a very long time.

Interesting. I have never seen this before and it certainly represents a particular bias for the news program given all the other images they could have chosen.

I have seen many pictures from up in the air. Not sure where the gate would come in (although probably at the driveway, I would guess).

After hearing about the coincidental and perfectly timed disclosure of the "informant" to the sherrif; I am skeptical of what he has to say.

He has already stated that he has been after them for years.