Whoa! Polygamist solution is frightening...

[Pressing-On]

Originally Posted by Rico

Here ya go.

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20080426/...st_retreat_406

Thanks, Rico. Interesting since this is what I am reading - "The sect believes polygamy brings glorification in heaven...."

"CPS officials say no more than 30 minor girls in state custody have children."

Hmmmm no more than "30".

"One FLDS member who did testify said she and her husband and their three children form a traditional family and live in a separate house from other sect members."

I'd have to know how that is working for them. Hmmmmmm...... living in and amongst a sect. Hmmmmm........

[Rico]

Originally Posted by Pressing-On

Thanks, Rico. Interesting since this is what I am reading - "The sect believes polygamy brings glorification in heaven...."

"CPS officials say no more than 30 minor girls in state custody have children."

Hmmmm no more than "30".

"One FLDS member who did testify said she and her husband and their three children form a traditional family and live in a separate house from other sect members."

I'd have to know how that is working for them. Hmmmmmm...... living in and amongst a sect. Hmmmmm........

The point is that the State of Texas should not have rounded up everyone. It sets a dangerous precedent, PO; one that could have far reaching effects all over the USA. All the government would have to do is say children are in danger because of what a church teaches and then take the church members' children away.

[Pressing-On]

Originally Posted by Rico

The point is that the State of Texas should not have rounded up everyone. It sets a dangerous precedent, PO; one that could have far reaching effects all over the USA. All the government would have to do is say children are in danger because of what a church teaches and then take the church members' children away.

I'm sorry, Rico, but if they did not have "30" underaged pregnancies I'm not prepared to believe anything would have happened.

The thing is Texas knew why they moved here and why they set up the compound.

Don't forget this information.

State Rep. Harvey Hilderbran, R-Kerrville whose district includes Eldorado, speculated that law enforcement and CPS probably had a loose plan in place. Hilderbran remembers talking to CPS officials about the ranch in 2005, when he worked to pass a bill targeted at the sect that raised the legal marriage age with parental consent from 14 to 16. The bill passed.

They knew what they were doing and were waiting for them to cross the line - which they did. They were not coming at them for their religious beliefs, per se, but that their beliefs violated the law concerning sexual abuse.

Every family living on that compound is accountable. I wouldn't want any child to grow up in that environment. If they could place them through a "non-profit" fostering organization I wouldn't be as worried about the children. CPS is a joke, for the most part.

My SIL worked for them in Dallas for a while. A caseworker. She said they don't care about the children or the families, so she quit.

[Hoovie]

Originally Posted by Pressing-On

I'm sorry, Rico, but if they did not have "30" underaged pregnancies I'm not prepared to believe anything would have happened.The thing is Texas knew why they moved here and why they set up the compound.

Don't forget this information.




They knew what they were doing and were waiting for them to cross the line - which they did. They were not coming at them for their religious beliefs, per se, but that their beliefs violated the law concerning sexual abuse.

Every family living on that compound is accountable. I wouldn't want any child to grow up in that environment. If they could place them through a "non-profit" fostering organization I wouldn't be as worried about the children. CPS is a joke, for the most part.

My SIL worked for them in Dallas for a while. A caseworker. She said they don't care about the children or the families, so she quit.

We have more than that in our local high school every year!

[Rico]

Originally Posted by Pressing-On

I'm sorry, Rico, but if they did not have "30" underaged pregnancies I'm not prepared to believe anything would have happened.

The thing is Texas knew why they moved here and why they set up the compound.

Don't forget this information.




They knew what they were doing and were waiting for them to cross the line - which they did. They were not coming at them for their religious beliefs, per se, but that their beliefs violated the law concerning sexual abuse.

Every family living on that compound is accountable. I wouldn't want any child to grow up in that environment. If they could place them through a "non-profit" fostering organization I wouldn't be as worried about the children. CPS is a joke, for the most part.

My SIL worked for them in Dallas for a while. A caseworker. She said they don't care about the children or the families, so she quit.

If they knew about 30 underage pregnancies then they should have gone after just those families, not everyone. It's the going after everyone that has me concerned.

[Pressing-On]

Originally Posted by Rico

If they knew about 30 underage pregnancies then they should have gone after just those families, not everyone. It's the going after everyone that has me concerned.

If they live "IN OR AMONGST" that sect they are condoning their actions. If I live in a crack house, I'm going to get busted along with everyone else. I need to make better choices.

[Rico]

Originally Posted by Pressing-On

If they live "IN OR AMONGST" that sect they are condoning their actions. If I live in a crack house, I'm going to get busted along with everyone else. I need to make better choices.

Well, just remember that, if the day comes when CPS raids your church and takes away your children, over the church's religious beliefs, you wil be guilty because of being in or amongst them. Sorry, Sister, but that is as lame a reason for taking away peoples' kids as I have ever heard.

Also, don't think for a minute that what happened in TX can't happen in apostolic churches because the church I used to belong to was threatened with the same thing that happened to these people in TX several years ago. One of the young girls made a complaint against her stepfather. CPS was in the process of their investigation and wanted to interview different members of the church. (What the church had to do with what was going on with this family is beyond me.) When the pastor refused to allow it, CPS threatened to take away everyone's children in the church. All of this because the church was considered a cult because of it's dress standards, the way people shunned the world, and because of the way the church worshipped (it was referred to as "going to the dance" in that county). Fortunately, CPS did not make good on their threat and the case was settled.

[MissBrattified]

Originally Posted by Rico

Well, just remember that, if the day comes when CPS raids your church and takes away your children, over the church's religious beliefs, you wil be guilty because of being in or amongst them. Sorry, Sister, but that is as lame a reason for taking away peoples' kids as I have ever heard.

On this point, Rico, if I knew that my pastor was endorsing, supporting and facilitating illegal, underage marriages, I would have a big problem with it. Remaining under his leadership would be my passive endorsement of the same, don't you think?

[Pressing-On]

Originally Posted by Rico

Well, just remember that, if the day comes when CPS raids your church and takes away your children, over the church's religious beliefs, you wil be guilty because of being in or amongst them. Sorry, Sister, but that is as lame a reason for taking away peoples' kids as I have ever heard.

Also, don't think for a minute that what happened in TX can't happen in apostolic churches because the church I used to belong to was threatened with the same thing that happened to these people in TX several years ago. One of the young girls made a complaint against her stepfather. CPS was in the process of their investigation and wanted to interview different members of the church. (What the church had to do with what was going on with this family is beyond me.) When the pastor refused to allow it, CPS threatened to take away everyone's children in the church. All of this because the church was considered a cult because of it's dress standards, the way people shunned the world, and because of the way the church worshipped (it was referred to as "going to the dance" in that county). Fortunately, CPS did not make good on their threat and the case was settled.

Rico,
The thing is - we are not going to stop anything of this nature and we don't need to live in fear. We have the power and authority to touch the throne of God and then let Him work. So, whatever His will is, I'm good with that.

[Kae]

Originally Posted by Rico

Well, just remember that, if the day comes when CPS raids your church and takes away your children, over the church's religious beliefs, you wil be guilty because of being in or amongst them. Sorry, Sister, but that is as lame a reason for taking away peoples' kids as I have ever heard.

Also, don't think for a minute that what happened in TX can't happen in apostolic churches because the church I used to belong to was threatened with the same thing that happened to these people in TX several years ago. One of the young girls made a complaint against her stepfather. CPS was in the process of their investigation and wanted to interview different members of the church. (What the church had to do with what was going on with this family is beyond me.) When the pastor refused to allow it, CPS threatened to take away everyone's children in the church. All of this because the church was considered a cult because of it's dress standards, the way people shunned the world, and because of the way the church worshipped (it was referred to as "going to the dance" in that county). Fortunately, CPS did not make good on their threat and the case was settled.

We should all be educated on what CPS can and can't do when they come knocking on our doors. The biggest reason we have fear is because we really don't know what they can and can't do. Find out, so you won't live in fear of the state.

They reason all they did was threaten was because they couldn't do anything else.