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Old 04-30-2008, 07:10 PM
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I am sure statistically most do not get addicted, but to say "not to worry about it" would be foolish because even youth "you" don't believe it doesn't mean that it hasn't happened. Too much evidence to support otherwise. Oxycontin for one just lost a major lawsuit or settled it (don't remember which) and they didn't do it because they were nice people.
For someone to bring up a lawsuit against a drug company because they got addicted to the drug is really a waste of time and money, because the side effects tell you that it may cause addiction!! It's a narcotic.

That's like naming soda pop companies in a lawsuit because you are addicted to caffeine. It's stupid, excuse my bluntness.

Again, when people take them only for what they are prescribed for, they don't get addicted. Those I've read about who became addicted continued taking them long after they didn't need them anymore, and THAT'S when the addiction happened. Not before or during the needed therapy.

I'll give you an example. Duragesic patches are like 100 times more powerful than Morphine. People who wear these patches are those in chronic pain. Their dosages have to be titrated upward every once in a while due to a tolerance that occurs.

Now, if you suddenly have them stop wearing the patches, they will go through withdrawals. NOT because they are addicted, but when someone is on narcotic medication, you DO NOT suddenly stop taking them. You wean yourself off. Doing it the right way results in someone getting off the drug without addictive side effects.

You won't find any news story where someone did the above with any narcotic medication and found themselves hopelessly hooked! It just doesn't happen when it's done the right way.

Do you know what happens to people addicted to meds that go into rehab? The rehab titrates them downward, like they should have done themselves, until they are drug free! 30 days later, they are released from the rehab, good as new.

It's not only narcotic meds that have to be done this way, but most anti-depressants, steroids, and most meds that alter the chemicals of the brain and body should be done in the same manner. One can go through withdrawals if they suddenly stop taking their anti-depressant meds, but I'd hardly suggest it's because they are addicted to them. However, the body is dependent on them, so they should be titrated down.

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Old 04-30-2008, 10:06 PM
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For someone to bring up a lawsuit against a drug company because they got addicted to the drug is really a waste of time and money, because the side effects tell you that it may cause addiction!! It's a narcotic.
Thank you for making my point, but I appreciate your input
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Thank you for making my point, but I appreciate your input
You missed the context, didn't you?

It may cause addiction, and that's because people abuse it. It's no different than any other drug, including illegal drugs, alcohol, and even caffeine. But it's the abusers who end up addicted.
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You missed the context, didn't you?

It may cause addiction, and that's because people abuse it. It's no different than any other drug, including illegal drugs, alcohol, and even caffeine. But it's the abusers who end up addicted.
I definitely am not trying to argue but I must disagree with your comment about its only abusers that end up addicted.

My husband has had 2 major back surgeries and is going to have another in June. He is a retired police detective who hurt his back in the line of duty. He cannot stand to take pills of any kind. The only kind of medication that gives him any relief at all is oxycontin. He is prescribed it 3 times a day. Most days he gets by with only 2 and usually takes 2-3 percocets( also given by dr ) for break thru pain. But let him miss a dose or be much longer that 12 hours since his last oxycontin and he will definitely start into withdrawls. It scares him because the withdrawls are so severe. He says he can't imagine having to go thru full withdrawls from this. Now, this is a man who up until this injury, had never taken anything but tylenol or aspirin for his pain. So to say that if it is only taken as needed for pain that you won't become addicted, simply isn't true with every one. I'm sure most people who have ever taken this drug would agree.
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Old 05-21-2008, 07:59 AM
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I definitely am not trying to argue but I must disagree with your comment about its only abusers that end up addicted.

My husband has had 2 major back surgeries and is going to have another in June. He is a retired police detective who hurt his back in the line of duty. He cannot stand to take pills of any kind. The only kind of medication that gives him any relief at all is oxycontin. He is prescribed it 3 times a day. Most days he gets by with only 2 and usually takes 2-3 percocets( also given by dr ) for break thru pain. But let him miss a dose or be much longer that 12 hours since his last oxycontin and he will definitely start into withdrawls. It scares him because the withdrawls are so severe. He says he can't imagine having to go thru full withdrawls from this. Now, this is a man who up until this injury, had never taken anything but tylenol or aspirin for his pain. So to say that if it is only taken as needed for pain that you won't become addicted, simply isn't true with every one. I'm sure most people who have ever taken this drug would agree.
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How long has he been taking it? If you read my posts where I talk about chronic pain, you will see that I exclude those people because of the long-term usage. I also didn't say that only abusers end up addicted, but that is the case with most.

I'm sorry for your husband's pain. There's nothing like chronic back pain to mess up someone's life, as well as the lives of those who care for them.
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That's like naming soda pop companies in a lawsuit because you are addicted to caffeine. It's stupid, excuse my bluntness.
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Ah, you mean I can't sue Maxwell House!??
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Ah, you mean I can't sue Maxwell House!??
No, but you should step up to some gourmet...the can stuff just doesn't do!
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No, but you should step up to some gourmet...the can stuff just doesn't do!
Us po folk don't have starbucks in our neck of the woods!

Nah, really though, have you tried the Maxwell House Columbian Bold? Man, that's some good coffee!
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Us po folk don't have starbucks in our neck of the woods!

Nah, really though, have you tried the Maxwell House Columbian Bold? Man, that's some good coffee!
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