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Old 05-13-2008, 02:23 PM
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Just heard on the news that a woman in custody gave birth today, but claims her age is 22. She is going to be allowed out of state custody but her baby will remain with foster parents. She does have the choice to stay with the infant, however.

It's also said that there are at least 27 females being held as minors initially who have been proven to be of legal age thus far. This is compelling for a major lawsuit against the state of Texas, IMO.

There is more to this than meets the eye, I'm afraid. It seems more and more likely that it's religious in nature, and not the mere acting out of concern for the children any longer.
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Old 05-13-2008, 02:33 PM
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Just heard on the news that a woman in custody gave birth today, but claims her age is 22. She is going to be allowed out of state custody but her baby will remain with foster parents. She does have the choice to stay with the infant, however.

It's also said that there are at least 27 females being held as minors initially who have been proven to be of legal age thus far. This is compelling for a major lawsuit against the state of Texas, IMO.

There is more to this than meets the eye, I'm afraid. It seems more and more likely that it's religious in nature, and not the mere acting out of concern for the children any longer.

Well it appears from the testimony of one of the men of the group that the children are married off before the age of 16 with the parents given consent. I'd be interested to know if the young girls had a choice...I would think not.
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Old 05-13-2008, 02:47 PM
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Well it appears from the testimony of one of the men of the group that the children are married off before the age of 16 with the parents given consent. I'd be interested to know if the young girls had a choice...I would think not.
If you are raised to believe that living that way is completely normal, yes, you'd consent. It's a normal way of life for those girls! They don't know any other way of living, so why would they resist?
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Old 05-13-2008, 03:12 PM
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If you are raised to believe that living that way is completely normal, yes, you'd consent. It's a normal way of life for those girls! They don't know any other way of living, so why would they resist?
Come on HO, if that were true then you wouldn't ever see any Pentecostal kids getting in trouble and doing things contrary to the way they were raised. It is human nature to fight against the things that we don't want to do.
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Old 05-13-2008, 03:19 PM
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Come on HO, if that were true then you wouldn't ever see any Pentecostal kids getting in trouble and doing things contrary to the way they were raised. It is human nature to fight against the things that we don't want to do.
Actually, if you look at religious cults and segregated communities, like the Amish, it's opposite.

The Amish numbers for those who leave (and therefore cannot return) is just 5%. I think the numbers of those raised in Pentecost and remain so through adulthood are about 5%. Staggering.

The difference is Pentecostals aren't segregated from the rest of the world. The comparison really cannot be made.
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Actually, if you look at religious cults and segregated communities, like the Amish, it's opposite.

The Amish numbers for those who leave (and therefore cannot return) is just 5%. I think the numbers of those raised in Pentecost and remain so through adulthood are about 5%. Staggering.

The difference is Pentecostals aren't segregated from the rest of the world. The comparison really cannot be made.
Well, some around here might disagree with that! LOL! But I still think that human nature is remarkably strong and the will to fight back is going to be there in a lot of girls. It probably gets stifled and forced out pretty quick, which is why a lot of those women looked so old, IMO.
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Old 05-13-2008, 03:40 PM
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Well, some around here might disagree with that! LOL! But I still think that human nature is remarkably strong and the will to fight back is going to be there in a lot of girls. It probably gets stifled and forced out pretty quick, which is why a lot of those women looked so old, IMO.
I live in a large Amish community. One thing that's noticeable to me is how well behaved their children are, even when out in public. I'm talking about even small children.

They aren't exposed to misbehaving children that might influence their behavior. Oh, I'm sure they tried, but realized very quickly that it wouldn't be tolerated in any form or fashion.

As for Pentecostals that disagree, I'd actually be one! I was very sheltered all my life and didn't start rebelling until I started working in the adult world at the age of 16. My mom didn't even allow TV in our house.

I was so well indoctrinated that even though I believe differently than how I was raised, the mindset remains. Case in point...I was watching Dottie Rambo vids on her thread and caught myself several times looking at her hair, thinking, what a shame. I can't help that mindset, even after all these years believing something differently.

It's typical for children to be products of their raising. Yes, there are exceptions, but the fact remains that most people follow in the footsteps of their parents. This is why abusers are said to come from abusive families. Child molesters were more than likely molested as children themselves. In a world where women marry young and have several children, it's only natural that those children will also marry young and have several children as well.

If one isn't exposed to anything different, human nature typically won't rebel against the norm. We are raised with social mores that vary from culture to culture, but have you ever seen someone go against those mores? It's akin to a child deciding that smiling and shaking hands when greeting someone is NOT what he wants to do, but instead he spits in the guy's hand and tells him "I like cheeseburgers".

Are there people like that? Sure. Most of them come through the Brown County Mental Health Department. Why? Because it's not normal to forsake the norms of life and rebel against them.

We don't see that cult as being normal. Those raised in it, well, that's all they know. They don't know our way of life, therefore, how can they rebel against their own?

Yes, some people leave, but I'd like to know how many of them received info from 'the other side' before leaving. I can't see someone leaving everything they know without knowing where they are leaving to.
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Well, some around here might disagree with that! LOL! But I still think that human nature is remarkably strong and the will to fight back is going to be there in a lot of girls. It probably gets stifled and forced out pretty quick, which is why a lot of those women looked so old, IMO.
They are taught that the principle of polygamy is the most important thing in their lives. The principle doesn't fail it is the people which gives the younger ones something to strive for. To be better and not fail. This principle is so ingrained that they are the chosen ones of God and they will become goddesses that they go through this misery. They give up earthly desires and deny themselves pleasures, because they are the chosen ones. So even if they stray this principle helps bring them back around.
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Old 05-13-2008, 04:04 PM
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Actually, if you look at religious cults and segregated communities, like the Amish, it's opposite.

The Amish numbers for those who leave (and therefore cannot return) is just 5%. I think the numbers of those raised in Pentecost and remain so through adulthood are about 5%. Staggering.

The difference is Pentecostals aren't segregated from the rest of the world. The comparison really cannot be made.
We were at a festival and saw some Amish girls come walking by with their head coverings around their waste and smoking cigarettes. They were in their teens. Apparently at the age of sixteen they are allowed to go out and do what they want to experience life and then decide if they want to stay or not.
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Old 05-13-2008, 05:57 PM
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We were at a festival and saw some Amish girls come walking by with their head coverings around their waste and smoking cigarettes. They were in their teens. Apparently at the age of sixteen they are allowed to go out and do what they want to experience life and then decide if they want to stay or not.
Strangely enough, 97% of them return and never leave their people. That's part of their normal way of life. Rumspringa is what it's called, and it's a tradition of rights, so to speak. During this time, they are allowed to do whatever they please, then make a decision. Makes me wonder if the same would be true of Pentecostals...but I'm not wanting to find that out.

Those girls weren't rebelling. There is no need to rebel when one is given permission.
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