Teaching To Speak In Tongues

stmatthew · #1 05-15-2008, 01:57 PM

I also have an acquaintance that went to CLC is Stockton (about 5 - 6 years ago) that said during a service the leader just told everyone to start speaking in tongues. She said it was really weird, because many did. I never knew you could turn on tongues. I always thought they were "as the Spirit gave utterance".

Praxeas · #2 05-15-2008, 02:00 PM

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Originally Posted by stmatthew

I also have an acquaintance that went to CLC is Stockton (about 5 - 6 years ago) that said during a service the leader just told everyone to start speaking in tongues. She said it was really weird, because many did. I never knew you could turn on tongues. I always thought they were "as the Spirit gave utterance".

True it is as the Spirit gives utterance but all that means it is the Spirit that enables that. So maybe in that service the Spirit of God was moving but not everyone was speaking in tongues.

Paul said the spirit of the prophets are subject to the prophets

Pastor Keith · #3 05-15-2008, 02:22 PM

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I also have an acquaintance that went to CLC is Stockton (about 5 - 6 years ago) that said during a service the leader just told everyone to start speaking in tongues. She said it was really weird, because many did. I never knew you could turn on tongues. I always thought they were "as the Spirit gave utterance".

You might need to reread I Cor 14, the ability to release or pray in tongues for the believer is found in the human will.

stmatthew · #4 05-15-2008, 02:32 PM

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You might need to reread I Cor 14, the ability to release or pray in tongues for the believer is found in the human will.

Maybe you should read verse 23, as it shows that it is wrong for a whole church to come together and speak in tongues.

I also disagree that I Cor 14 is stating that we can "at will" speak in tongues. If tongues come only from our human will and spirit, then the Holy Ghost is not needed. But the Holy Ghost is what gives utterance, not our human spirit.

Honestly, the more you folks talk about some of these old timers, the less respect I have for them.

Pastor Keith · #5 05-15-2008, 02:39 PM

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Maybe you should read verse 23, as it shows that it is wrong for a whole church to come together and speak in tongues.

I also disagree that I Cor 14 is stating that we can "at will" speak in tongues. If tongues come only from our human will and spirit, then the Holy Ghost is not needed. But the Holy Ghost is what gives utterance, not our human spirit.

Honestly, the more you folks talk about some of these old timers, the less respect I have for them.

The apostle Paul described the will of the believer as key to the ability of the believer to have the ongoing ability to pray in tongues, he said "I will pray with my spirit and I will pray with my understanding also. I will sing with my spirit and I will sing with my understanding also." It is not a matter of emotion. It is a matter of the will. You can will to pray in your own language and you can will to pray in your heavenly language. Paul went on to say to the Christians in Corinth: The spirit of the prophet is subject to the prophet, therefore let all things be done decently and in order." You can start and you can stop. You are in control.

You are entitled to your opinion about the Old Timers, I have a lot of respect for them and feel that much of their perspective we have lost.

ManOfWord · #6 05-15-2008, 02:47 PM

Sadly, I had this happen to me before I received the HG on my own. It was at a youth rally and the evangelist and the pastor of the church tried to get me to repeat after them. People were rocking me back and forth etc. I was really ticked because I thought that this HG "thing" was supposed to be between me and God. I took great offense that someone thought they could "give" it to me or get me to speak in tongues. I thought it was about the HG and not ab out tongues. It really confused me being a 3 month old convert. I almost punched the preacher who grabbed me by the throat and was screaming in my ears! (seriously) I was saved, but I was only "freshly" saved.

I received the HG by myself with no one telling me what to do or what to say. If it's real, then no one has to "tell" you what to say.

stmatthew · #7 05-15-2008, 02:51 PM

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The apostle Paul described the will of the believer as key to the ability of the believer to have the ongoing ability to pray in tongues, he said "I will pray with my spirit and I will pray with my understanding also. I will sing with my spirit and I will sing with my understanding also." It is not a matter of emotion. It is a matter of the will. You can will to pray in your own language and you can will to pray in your heavenly language. Paul went on to say to the Christians in Corinth: The spirit of the prophet is subject to the prophet, therefore let all things be done decently and in order." You can start and you can stop. You are in control.

You are entitled to your opinion about the Old Timers, I have a lot of respect for them and feel that much of their perspective we have lost.

Any "speaking in tongues" that is not THROUGH the Holy Ghost is not of God, and promotes humanism. I don't have time to discuss such an elementary thing with someone who should be well beyond this.

1Cr 14:38 But if any man be ignorant, let him be ignorant.

Pastor Keith · #8 05-15-2008, 03:01 PM

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Any "speaking in tongues" that is not THROUGH the Holy Ghost is not of God, and promotes humanism. I don't have time to discuss such an elementary thing with someone who should be well beyond this.

1Cr 14:38 But if any man be ignorant, let him be ignorant.

Thanks for the compliment, but this is really elementary, after the being born again the human spirit that was once dead is now alive can communicate with the Living God who is spirit. Sorry you don't get it, I guess it revals much of your level of understanding as well.

Praxeas · #9 05-15-2008, 03:03 PM

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Thanks for the compliment, but this is really elementary, after the being born again the human spirit that was once dead is now alive can communicate with the Living God who is spirit. Sorry you don't get it, I guess it revals much of your level of understanding as well.

Keith is the source of these tongues the Holy Spirit or our own spirit? are you saying that the Holy Spirit enables our spirit to do these things?

Admin · #10 05-16-2008, 09:33 AM

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Originally Posted by stmatthew

Any "speaking in tongues" that is not THROUGH the Holy Ghost is not of God, and promotes humanism. I don't have time to discuss such an elementary thing with someone who should be well beyond this.

1Cr 14:38 But if any man be ignorant, let him be ignorant.

Stmatthew,

Are you using scripture to call Keith ignorant?