Teaching To Speak In Tongues

[Pastor Keith]

Originally Posted by stmatthew

Maybe you should read verse 23, as it shows that it is wrong for a whole church to come together and speak in tongues.


I also disagree that I Cor 14 is stating that we can "at will" speak in tongues. If tongues come only from our human will and spirit, then the Holy Ghost is not needed. But the Holy Ghost is what gives utterance, not our human spirit.


Honestly, the more you folks talk about some of these old timers, the less respect I have for them.

The apostle Paul described the will of the believer as key to the ability of the believer to have the ongoing ability to pray in tongues, he said "I will pray with my spirit and I will pray with my understanding also. I will sing with my spirit and I will sing with my understanding also." It is not a matter of emotion. It is a matter of the will. You can will to pray in your own language and you can will to pray in your heavenly language. Paul went on to say to the Christians in Corinth: The spirit of the prophet is subject to the prophet, therefore let all things be done decently and in order." You can start and you can stop. You are in control.


You are entitled to your opinion about the Old Timers, I have a lot of respect for them and feel that much of their perspective we have lost.

[ManOfWord]

Sadly, I had this happen to me before I received the HG on my own. It was at a youth rally and the evangelist and the pastor of the church tried to get me to repeat after them. People were rocking me back and forth etc. I was really ticked because I thought that this HG "thing" was supposed to be between me and God. I took great offense that someone thought they could "give" it to me or get me to speak in tongues. I thought it was about the HG and not ab out tongues. It really confused me being a 3 month old convert. I almost punched the preacher who grabbed me by the throat and was screaming in my ears! (seriously) I was saved, but I was only "freshly" saved.

I received the HG by myself with no one telling me what to do or what to say. If it's real, then no one has to "tell" you what to say.

[stmatthew]

Originally Posted by keith4him

The apostle Paul described the will of the believer as key to the ability of the believer to have the ongoing ability to pray in tongues, he said "I will pray with my spirit and I will pray with my understanding also. I will sing with my spirit and I will sing with my understanding also." It is not a matter of emotion. It is a matter of the will. You can will to pray in your own language and you can will to pray in your heavenly language. Paul went on to say to the Christians in Corinth: The spirit of the prophet is subject to the prophet, therefore let all things be done decently and in order." You can start and you can stop. You are in control.


You are entitled to your opinion about the Old Timers, I have a lot of respect for them and feel that much of their perspective we have lost.

Any "speaking in tongues" that is not THROUGH the Holy Ghost is not of God, and promotes humanism. I don't have time to discuss such an elementary thing with someone who should be well beyond this.

1Cr 14:38 But if any man be ignorant, let him be ignorant.

[Pastor Keith]

Originally Posted by stmatthew

Any "speaking in tongues" that is not THROUGH the Holy Ghost is not of God, and promotes humanism. I don't have time to discuss such an elementary thing with someone who should be well beyond this.

1Cr 14:38 But if any man be ignorant, let him be ignorant.

Thanks for the compliment, but this is really elementary, after the being born again the human spirit that was once dead is now alive can communicate with the Living God who is spirit. Sorry you don't get it, I guess it revals much of your level of understanding as well.

[Praxeas]

Originally Posted by keith4him

Thanks for the compliment, but this is really elementary, after the being born again the human spirit that was once dead is now alive can communicate with the Living God who is spirit. Sorry you don't get it, I guess it revals much of your level of understanding as well.

Keith is the source of these tongues the Holy Spirit or our own spirit? are you saying that the Holy Spirit enables our spirit to do these things?

[Pastor Keith]

Originally Posted by Praxeas

Keith is the source of these tongues the Holy Spirit or our own spirit? are you saying that the Holy Spirit enables our spirit to do these things?

Yes, of course, but Paul identified the source of his praying as his spirit.

[Praxeas]

Originally Posted by keith4him

Yes, of course, but Paul identified the source of his praying as his spirit.

Right...how much of that is simply our control over what the Spirit enables? For example the prophets...WHen someone prophesies they are not automatons or puppets. They do it by the Spirit but they are in control as to when to release it., A person that has a message in tongues for the church can "opt" to not give it..not saying they should or that is ok to do, but I mean God does not take over completely. We allow HIM to speak through us or we relay what word HE has given to us. IF we are obedient we do it as He wills. But that still involves OUR will

[Pastor Keith]

Originally Posted by Praxeas

Right...how much of that is simply our control over what the Spirit enables? For example the prophets...WHen someone prophesies they are not automatons or puppets. They do it by the Spirit but they are in control as to when to release it., A person that has a message in tongues for the church can "opt" to not give it..not saying they should or that is ok to do, but I mean God does not take over completely. We allow HIM to speak through us or we relay what word HE has given to us. IF we are obedient we do it as He wills. But that still involves OUR will

Yes, but spiritual gifts empowered by the Spirit is different than the ongoing ability for believer to pray in devotional tongues.

[Admin]

Originally Posted by stmatthew

Any "speaking in tongues" that is not THROUGH the Holy Ghost is not of God, and promotes humanism. I don't have time to discuss such an elementary thing with someone who should be well beyond this.

1Cr 14:38 But if any man be ignorant, let him be ignorant.

Stmatthew,

Are you using scripture to call Keith ignorant?

[Cindy]

Originally Posted by Admin

Stmatthew,

Are you using scripture to call Keith ignorant?

Wow. Slowly moving out of this thread.