Baptismal Regeneration?

[bkstokes]

Jim

This is quite an interesting argument for this point of view. However, I don't think you would totally agree with it.

[Sam]

Originally Posted by bkstokes

Jim

This is quite an interesting argument for this point of view. However, I don't think you would totally agree with it.

The author uses for his authority the writings of post-apostolic authors and creeds of the Roman church. Usually Oneness writers shun these things because that is where they say the doctrine of the trinity is found. Is this an admission in the Pentecostal Herald that the UPC holds to a Roman Catholic doctrine of washing away of sin in baptism? Also, he is strangely silent about another ancient document which may have been written as early as 60 AD which speaks of water baptism this way:
And concerning baptism, baptize in this manner:
Having first taught all of these things, baptize in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Spirit, in living water.
But if you have no living water, baptize in other water ((preferably cold)); and if you cannot do so in cold water, do so in warm.
But if you have neither, pour water three times upon the head in the name of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit."
This is from a writing called the Didiche or the Limuda. In the AESV Bible it is part of Acts 15:23-29.

[bkstokes]

Originally Posted by Sam

The author uses for his authority the writings of post-apostolic authors and creeds of the Roman church. Usually Oneness writers shun these things because that is where they say the doctrine of the trinity is found. Is this an admission in the Pentecostal Herald that the UPC holds to a Roman Catholic doctrine of washing away of sin in baptism? Also, he is strangely silent about another ancient document which may have been written as early as 60 AD which speaks of water baptism this way:
And concerning baptism, baptize in this manner:
Having first taught all of these things, baptize in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Spirit, in living water.
But if you have no living water, baptize in other water ((preferably cold)); and if you cannot do so in cold water, do so in warm.
But if you have neither, pour water three times upon the head in the name of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit."
This is from a writing called the Didiche or the Limuda. In the AESV Bible it is part of Acts 15:23-29.

Very good points

Yes, I was very surprised that he quoted Justin Martyr. I can remember reading stuff quoted from McClain an early oneness historian and he heavily criticized Justin Martyr.

I agree with you about the fact that regenaration in water doctrine goes concurrent with the Roman Catholic belief.

I think most oneness proponents even the writer of this article would claim that there was a reason that the passage that you last quoted was left out of most of the protestant bibles. They would say because it was not inspired.

[SDG]

Originally Posted by Sam

The author uses for his authority the writings of post-apostolic authors and creeds of the Roman church. Usually Oneness writers shun these things because that is where they say the doctrine of the trinity is found. Is this an admission in the Pentecostal Herald that the UPC holds to a Roman Catholic doctrine of washing away of sin in baptism?

Also, he is strangely silent about another ancient document which may have been written as early as 60 AD which speaks of water baptism this way:
And concerning baptism, baptize in this manner:
Having first taught all of these things, baptize in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Spirit, in living water.
But if you have no living water, baptize in other water ((preferably cold)); and if you cannot do so in cold water, do so in warm.
But if you have neither, pour water three times upon the head in the name of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit."

This is from a writing called the Didiche or the Limuda. In the AESV Bible it is part of Acts 15:23-29.

Need I say more? I TOLD YOU SO!!!

It's laughable guys like TR now align themselves w/ this ....

TR ... u believe like Justin Martyr that not only does baptism apply the blood of Jesus but provides "illumination of understanding"?

I'm gonna like this thread ...

Thanks for sharing Sam.