Baptismal Regeneration?

TRFrance · #1 05-22-2008, 07:56 PM

I think what the writer is essentially saying is that (unlike what some Evangelicals and Pentecostal "1-steppers" may wish for us to believe) the concept of baptism for remission of sins is not only in the bible, but was clearly and commonly expressed in the writings of the second and third century believers.

bkstokes · #2 05-22-2008, 08:04 PM

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Originally Posted by TRFrance

I think what the writer is essentially saying is that (unlike what some Evangelicals and Pentecostal "1-steppers" may wish for us to believe) the concept of baptism for remission of sins is not only in the bible, but was clearly and commonly expressed in the writings of the second and third century believers.

Yes, this is why Paul was so proud of the people that he had baptized in Corinth and also why he made baptism his central theme in Romans (Romans being his suma teologia of all his writings). But wait, baptism was not his central theme, it was faith in Jesus, SO THAT NO MAN COULD BOAST.

TRFrance · #3 05-22-2008, 08:09 PM

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Originally Posted by bkstokes

Yes, this is why Paul was so proud of the people that in baptized in Corinth and also why he made baptism his central theme in Romans (his suma teologia of all his writings). But wait, baptism was not his central theme, it was faith, SO THAT NO MAN COULD BOAST.

Maybe someone else wants to get dragged into that argument.

As for me, its been there, done that. Cant be bothered.

bkstokes · #4 05-23-2008, 06:00 AM

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Originally Posted by TRFrance

I think what the writer is essentially saying is that (unlike what some Evangelicals and Pentecostal "1-steppers" may wish for us to believe) the concept of baptism for remission of sins is not only in the bible, but was clearly and commonly expressed in the writings of the second and third century believers.

TR

Yes, Shaw establishes that there were some who believed in this doctrine. The Apostle Paul also established that there were judiazers in the those days. Just because something is from long ago it does not make it right. The point we are making is that Paul never supported the regenrational argument (in baptism).