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03-21-2007, 07:02 AM
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Are any of these people willing to be a part of small growing church or are they the ones who want a big office, a fat salary, health insurance, and a retirement package?
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03-21-2007, 01:33 PM
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Are any of these people willing to be a part of small growing church or are they the ones who want a big office, a fat salary, health insurance, and a retirement package?
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If the church can't adequately pay a person for their services that are not large enough yet for that particular ministry.
I remember the first church my ex and I assisted in out of Bible College. We worked 24/7 both of us for $100.00 per week while his parents paid our car payment and insurance. When we resigned after a year of hard labor they offered us triple the salary...  Too late.
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03-21-2007, 03:29 PM
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Originally Posted by Rhoni
If the church can't adequately pay a person for their services that are not large enough yet for that particular ministry.
I remember the first church my ex and I assisted in out of Bible College. We worked 24/7 both of us for $100.00 per week while his parents paid our car payment and insurance. When we resigned after a year of hard labor they offered us triple the salary...  Too late.
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I do not agree with this. Any church of any size is ready for music ministry, whether they can pay for it or not. Doesn't mean they'll get it, but to say that the fine folks, few tho they be, don't deserve good music because they can't pay for it is wrong, in my opinion.
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03-21-2007, 03:32 PM
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I do not agree with this. Any church of any size is ready for music ministry, whether they can pay for it or not. Doesn't mean they'll get it, but to say that the fine folks, few tho they be, don't deserve good music because they can't pay for it is wrong, in my opinion.
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I agree.Whatever happened to the word sacrifice and labor of love.
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03-21-2007, 03:41 PM
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FWIW, I wouldn't send a kid to learn to be a music director at a bible school, unless they understood that it would probably only be a part-time job!
The churches are now saturated with music majors, so more than likely, they'll have to find a regular job and do the music part-time.
Don't get me wrong, there is still a need, but kids should be told the reality of being involved in music ministry!
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03-21-2007, 04:27 PM
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FWIW, I wouldn't send a kid to learn to be a music director at a bible school, unless they understood that it would probably only be a part-time job!
The churches are now saturated with music majors, so more than likely, they'll have to find a regular job and do the music part-time.
Don't get me wrong, there is still a need, but kids should be told the reality of being involved in music ministry!
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Exactly...most of the time it is free...for this reason you should go to secular college and get a real job! The Bible says that if one doesn't support one's family then they are worse than a theif or an infidel...so to turn down a good paying job to lead singing is ridiculous!
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03-21-2007, 06:39 PM
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Originally Posted by Michael Phelps
I do not agree with this. Any church of any size is ready for music ministry, whether they can pay for it or not. Doesn't mean they'll get it, but to say that the fine folks, few tho they be, don't deserve good music because they can't pay for it is wrong, in my opinion.
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Amen. I believe people should be fairly compensated, but to say that they are not ready for it because they cannot offer an attractive salary is wrong in my opinion. However, I do believe that as the church increases financially it should compensate those who minister both in the pulpit and in the area of music ministry.
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03-21-2007, 05:00 PM
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Originally Posted by Rhoni
If the church can't adequately pay a person for their services that are not large enough yet for that particular ministry.
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Hmmm.... I guess we're not large enough for me to pastor it... I don't get any pay....
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03-21-2007, 05:32 PM
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Originally Posted by Rhoni
If the church can't adequately pay a person for their services that are not large enough yet for that particular ministry.
I remember the first church my ex and I assisted in out of Bible College. We worked 24/7 both of us for $100.00 per week while his parents paid our car payment and insurance. When we resigned after a year of hard labor they offered us triple the salary...  Too late.
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Well, I work a full time job, and I'm the pastor. You're saying that the church isn't large enough to afford a pastor? I totally disagree with your sentements here. In fact, that attitude is why it is so hard to get men into home missions. Because they would rather be "on staff" somewhere. All over the UPC there are churches with 10-15 licensed ministers on staff yet we can't find anyone to start a new work in an area 20 miles north of me that has 30,125 people!
I was simply asking because I am tired of being asked if we have any "positions open" by people who want a cushy "ministry" job. I have plenty of positions open and none of them pay - we all work around here.
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03-21-2007, 05:36 PM
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Originally Posted by Just a Shepherd
I was simply asking because I am tired of being asked if we have any "positions open" by people who want a cushy "ministry" job. I have plenty of positions open and none of them pay - we all work around here.
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LOL
2 different worlds ain't it bro?
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