Biblical guide for a "church service"

LadyRev.. is there any of it NOT SCRIPTURE? Isn't all scripture given for our correction?

[Praxeas]

Originally Posted by Dr. Vaughn

Bro. Eply,, the fact that sinners love your music should tell you that the music of Pentecost is geared to the flesh... it is entertainment.... all flesh loves great music.... rythym and beats.... and fleshly talent

lol....so if a sinner comes in and says "I hate your music and your preaching and I am never coming back" you'd feel successful?

A sinner is saying she loved the worship...and for the Dr that is a bad thing. When I first came to a Pentecostal church service I LOVED the service....I loved it so much I was crying...I never wanted to leave! I went to an alter and repented of my sins and was then baptized in Jesus name....but the good Dr calls that fleshly...so sad

Originally Posted by Praxeas

lol....so if a sinner comes in and says "I hate your music and your preaching and I am never coming back" you'd feel successful?

A sinner is saying she loved the worship...and for the Dr that is a bad thing. When I first came to a Pentecostal church service I LOVED the service....I loved it so much I was crying...I never wanted to leave! I went to an alter and repented of my sins and was then baptized in Jesus name....but the good Dr calls that fleshly...so sad

First of all brother... the SPIRIT should have drawn you not emotional music that appeals to the flesh...... you could have been saved in the preferred method outside the church and then been brought in for your Christian training

[Praxeas]

Originally Posted by Dr. Vaughn

If we look closely we see that these people were sent to Jerusalem to preach the gospel to the NATIONS OF THE WORLD,,, beginning at Jerusalem... this was an impossible feat for 120 people to reach the known world.. and with all the language barriers it just could not be done...

They were SENT there to WAIT for the promise of the Father and then to preach repentance and remission of sins. But the point is they were gathered together. It was a church gathering. This goes against your asserted paradigm of what church gatherings are ONLY for.

They asked Jesus.. How are we going to fulfill this comission.. he told them to go to Jerusalem and wait for the "ability from on high"... which they did..

They ASKED that? what verse was that again?

Once the Holy Ghost delivered this ability to them they immediatly began speaking " in other foreign languages" THEY WERE NOT SPEAKING IN PENTECOSTAL STYLE tongues,.... as we see in the Pentecostal churches today....

they were ALL speaking in tongues....perhaps AT the same time...which is UNLIKE what Paul told the Corinthians to do..you have a contradiction there if you are right in your interpretations. Additionally they were NOT preaching the gospel in tongues to them....if they were there would be no reason for Peter to stand up and preach a gospel message

Immediately they began telling the "wonderful works of God in every known languages"

Act 2:11 both Jews and proselytes, Cretans and Arabs — we hear them speaking in our own languages about the great deeds God has done!"

Yes....you know what that is? That is HIGH PRAISE!
sa 12:4 And you will say in that day: "Give thanks to the LORD, call upon his name, make known his deeds among the peoples, proclaim that his name is exalted.
Isa 12:5 "Sing praises to the LORD, for he has done gloriously; let this be made known in all the earth.

They were not IN PRAISE talking to God,, they were TELLING THE WORKS OF GOD in foreign languages.....

There is no verse that says they were standing there conversing with these others in their own language. Tongues according to Paul...the verses YOU raised as an issue....is OUR spirit talking to God. It just so happens because these languages were in the language of the people they heard them praising God in the Spirit....but Peter STILL had to preach to them the gospel

Paul tells us that if someone is speaking in tongues they were speaking unto God... these people at Pentecost were not speaking to God, they were speaking to MEN about the wonderful works of God in earthly foreign languages

Then is Paul a liar? It says they were ALL filled and began to speak in tongues...speak in tongues...They were SPEAKING in tongues. That is YOUR spirit praying to God according to Paul.

Act 10:45 The circumcised believers who had accompanied Peter were greatly astonished that the gift of the Holy Spirit had been poured out even on the Gentiles,
Act 10:46 for they heard them speaking in tongues and praising God. Then Peter said,
Act 10:47 "No one can withhold the water for these people to be baptized, who have received the Holy Spirit just as we did, can he?"
Act 10:48 So he gave orders to have them baptized in the name of Jesus Christ. Then they asked him to stay for several days.

[Rico]

Originally Posted by Dr. Vaughn

First of all brother... the SPIRIT should have drawn you not emotional music that appeals to the flesh...... you could have been saved in the preferred method outside the church and then been brought in for your Christian training

Have you stopped to consider it was the Spirit drawing him, via the music? Is God not capable of using praise music to His benefit? Frankly, I don't care if God draws them using the taking up of the offering. The important thing is that people be drawn to God.

[Praxeas]

Originally Posted by Dr. Vaughn

First of all brother... the SPIRIT should have drawn you not emotional music that appeals to the flesh...... you could have been saved in the preferred method outside the church and then been brought in for your Christian training

Uh, no First of all brother...the Spirit DID draw me there. The music was anointed brother. It did NOT appeal to my flesh. And no "could have been saved" I was saved!

Second if all we need is to allow the Spirit, then there is no need for teaching or preaching. Sorry Brother but you are way off base. Those songs spoke to my heart because they were INSPIRED and ANOINTED As did the preaching that went forth that day. No flesh there Sir.

[Praxeas]

Originally Posted by Rico

Have you stopped to consider it was the Spirit drawing him, via the music? Is God not capable of using praise music to His benefit? Frankly, I don't care if God draws them using the taking up of the offering. The important thing is that people be drawn to God.

No he does not stop to consider that. He can't see the forest for the trees.

[Rico]

Originally Posted by Praxeas

No he does not stop to consider that. He can't see the forest for the trees.

It seems to me like He's locked God up into a box, only allowing Him to move when he thinks it's appropriate, based on his faulty logic.

For he that speaketh in an [unknown] tongue speaketh not unto men, but unto God: for no man understandeth [him]; howbeit in the spirit he speaketh mysteries.

The scriptures speak for themselves.. at Pentecost they were TELLING the works of God... the largest missionary endeavor in history... and then Peter..... speaks to the unbelievers collectivly to make plain unto them what they were seeing....

but this was NOT A PENTECOSAL style gathering... no speaking in tongues

Paul said that NO MAN WOULD HAVE UNDERSTOOD them had they been speaking in tongues... argue with the book

Originally Posted by Rico

It seems to me like He's locked God up into a box, only allowing Him to move when he thinks it's appropriate, based on his faulty logic.

It seems you might have forgotten he likes boxes,... ark of the covenant